Medium Format Slide Projectors (New/Used)

New Used Superslides (4x4)
Military Surplus (to 3 1/4'' x 4''!)
Features/Comparison (early 1961-2)
1962 U.S. 6x6 Slide Projectors
Larger than 6x6 Transparency Projectors
Wall Street Camera Ad for BL755
Slide Projector Related Postings
Bulbs Sources
Slide Projectors (Phil Greenspun)
Brumberger Riviera Manual
Special Thanks to "R. Peters"

Related Links:
Slide Labels for Laserprinters (35mm)

Current/Recent Medium Format Slide Projectors

Here is a modest listing of recent 6x6 and 6x7 slide projectors. Unfortunately, a number of these medium format slide projectors have been discontinued recently but you can probably still find them in stock at some dealers (see notes below). Web searches will also turn up sources online. See Willem-Jan Markerink's short listing for brief information about these models (tray/single, Triac control, etc.).

See W.J. Markerink's 6x6/6x7 MF Slide Projector Listing
Leitz EPI Diaskop IV Projector Brochure (WJM)
Leitz Epi Diaskop II projector brochure (WJM)

See B and H Photo Video Use search box to find Medium Format Slide Projector Pages (specs, prices)


Rollei P11 photo courtesy of R. Judd [email protected]!

rec.photo.marketplace
From: zhou ling [email protected]
[1] Re: 6x6 medium format slide projector wanted
Date: Tue Apr 28 00:53:49 CDT 1998

          I would recommend you to look into the
          ProCabin medium format slide projector
          which sells under $200 made by MAMIYA.
          Check out the messages posted at the
          Mamiya Website.  Excellent value.

[Ed. note: I think the price for the Mamiya is more like $1,000US for the 6x7 version, but it does let you show unmounted slides too - handy...]

Current Production Model Links

Hasselblad's PCP 80 6x6/6x4.5 projector

Kiev Site - contact Kalimar about the Kiev Automat - the least expensive new medium format 6x6 projector in current production

Meopta (Arista) Czech 6x6

Mamiya Medium Format Projectors

Rollei's Rolleivision 66 dual P 6x6/6x4.5/4x4/35mm projector

Rolleivision 66 and 66AV

Military Surplus Projectors

See Buhl Optical Co. Type #AP-4 (6x6 6x7 6x9..)

C&H Surplus also reportedly stocks the Kindermann projectors in surplus

C and H Sales Company
2176 East Colorado Blvd
Pasadena, CA 91107-9988
213-681-4295
818-796-4875 (fax)

[note: see update, these C&H projectors are now sold out ;-( ]

rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
From: [email protected]
[1] Help!! Projector woes.
Date: Tue May 05 16:26:14 CDT 1998

anyone,

i need to do some front-projection photography which requires a medium format projector. to my dismay i have learned that these are VERY expensive devices indeed. anyone know anywhere i can buy a cheap one? i've been considering building one. any books available on the subject? someone posted a listing for some old military projectors for sale from C and H in california, but they're all gone. any good ideas are appreciated.

kellvin

Low Budget Medium Format Slide Projectors

A large number of inexpensive dual use 6x6/35mm slide projectors were produced in the 1960s. Many photographers wanted to mix and show both their 6x6 chromes from their Rolleicord TLRs, Bessa folders, or Bronicas along with their new 35mm SLR mounts. Manufacturers responsed with a variety of dual use 6x6/35mm slide projectors in 1960s price ranges from $40 to $100+. These dual use projectors were marketed under a variety of brand names (e.g., Sears). Lots of owners don't even realize these older slide projectors have a dual use capability.

Naturally, you should probably not expect as much from a Sears or Tower brand 6x6/35mm slide projector as the current Rollei 66. But you should be able to pick up a medium format slide projector for $100-150, using the following listing as your guide. Most sellers don't know about these dual use possibilities, so prices at yard sales, pawn shops, and even off the WWW are quite cheap.

If possible, try to get whatever hand controls, manuals, spare bulbs, carrying cases, and especially trays that you can. Offer to buy slide holder cubes or storage boxes to rebox their collection if it will help convince them to sell to you. Otherwise, you may have a hard time finding the dual-use capable slide trays many older projectors take in the quantity that you will want and a price you can afford!

Some slide projectors worked best with paper or plastic mounts, while others did better with the thicker glass mounts. Please note that some medium format slide projector trays used adapters to mount 35mm slides into a larger holder so you could mix these with the 6x6 slides. So unless you get a supply of these adapters, you may not be able to use them well in their dual use role with both 35mm and 6x6 slides. But since you can buy inexpensive 35mm slide projectors for $15 and $25 and up, this won't be a major loss. The lack of an inexpensive current production model 6x6 projector other than the Kiev version is simply a matter of marketing and changing markets.

Budget Priced Medium Format Slide Projectors

Brumberger T10 slide projector
Photo Courtesy of Jay Kiessling

Medium Format Slide Projectors Features/Comparison (early 1961-2)

Comments: Multiply mid 1960s price by 5.16 to get price in today's inflation adjusted mid 1997 dollarettes. For example, the Viewlex V-53 that cost $67.95 would represent $350 in current 1997 dollars (based on CPI).

Note: Shorter lens produces a larger image at the same distance, larger f/stop lens opening is obviously brighter, as are higher wattage bulbs.

Be careful about names and numbers, as many 35mm only units were also produced and differ only by one number (e.g., Bausch and Lomb BL655 might sound like a 6x6, but it is 35mm only, while BL755 is the 6x6 version).


Golde Reflex Projector with Golde 6 l/2 inch f4 Anastigmat Coated Lens
Photo courtesy of Ross Nitkin - [email protected]

1958 U.S. 6x6 Slide Projectors

Source: 2 1/4 Slide Projectors, by Norman Rothschild, Modern Photography, December 1958, p.96 [added 2/2001]

1962 U.S. 6x6 Slide Projectors

Brumberger T10 slide projector
From a 1/28/98 EBAY Listing:

American Optical Model GK Slide Projector
Photo Courtesy Ed J. Roth (homepage)

Larger than 6x6 Transparency Projectors

American Optical Model GK
Photo Courtesy Ed J. Roth

American Optical Model GK Slide Projector
From a 1/24/98 Ebay Listing

Wall Street Camera Ad for BL755 from Feb. 1965 Pop. Photography

John Craig's Listing of 9,000 Manuals is probably your best source for manuals if you need one and can't locate it for your slide projector. Unfortunately, he has relatively few slide projector manuals, but may be able to recommend other sources.

Camera Traders Online has some Prado 66 and other Leica manual copies.

Camera Traders Online also has Ansco and other manuals...

Superslides

Double the impact of 35mm but just as easy to project

For more information about superslides, see Superslide 4x4 (127) Film Resources

Superslides are in-between 6x6 slides and 35mm slides, being 4x4 cm in size but fitting in a superslide mount that will work with most 35mm projectors. You get about double the viewable film area (185%) of a regular 35mm slide. But mounted superslides are 2'' x 2'' in size, just like the 35mm slides, so they fit in most 35mm projectors. I say most because some glass mount superslide versions may be too thick for some 35mm slide projectors in a few cases.

The usual superslide image is 4cm x 4cm square, but most slide mounts permit cropping the image as desired (just as with regular 35mm slides). Regular 6x6 slides have just over double the area of superslides, but more than four times the area of 35mm slides. So superslides are a compromise, but a very promising one for the photographer who wants to get the most out of available 35mm slide projecting equipment.

How do you get superslide sized slides? You can shoot them that way directly, e.g., with a Hasselblad 16S/A16S superslide back or a native 4x4 camera such as the Rollei Grey Baby cameras (using 127 film). The latter site provides sources for slide mounts and related resources for superslides (e.g., 127 film sources).

You can cut superslides down from any larger size slide, including 6x4.5, 6x6, 6x7, 6x9, and so on. Or you can use any medium format slide duplicator on these formats to crop and duplicate a slide for superslide use. You can even blow up a 35mm slide to superslide size, including cropping into the square format with many slide duplicator setups. Granted, an original medium format negative will have higher image quality than the blown-up from 35mm superslides.

You can also cheat, and shoot two or more images at the same time (e.g., on different backs and even with different film, as with multiple Bronica 6x6 cameras film backs). This approach has the advantage of giving you an original 6x6 or larger slide for future use, with a second original to use for superslide use. Recall that the superslide can only be made from a 4cm x 4cm sized film area, so anything larger must obviously be cropped to this size for superslide mounting.

You may want to slip a clear plastic mask under your Bronica prism viewfinder, for example, or other medium format camera finder (e.g., Kowa 6 screen, Hasselblad waist level finder, Bronica Magnifying hood etc.). Mark and center the actual dimensions as they will be mounted of your superslide onto this clear plastic mask with a pen marker (or sharp object for a scratched in line). Now you can see your regular viewfinder, along with a marked square the correct size for your superslide cut-outs. You can now compose your image for the superslide format in mind. In effect, you are converting your regular medium format back or equipment into a superslide sized back or camera during composition.

Once you have your unmounted transparencies developed, you can use any of a variety of cutters to cut out the desired 4cm x 4cm superslide image area. You can mask off some of the area if needed on some slide mounting types with opaque masks or tape. Finally, you can mount your own superslides using a variety of slide mounts available (see listings for 4x4 mounts and cutters).

In summary, superslides represent a very inexpensive way to bridge the gap between 35mm quality slides and those of medium format. Superslides offer double the film area and quality of 35mm, but in a form factor that can be used in current 35mm slide projectors. This fact can be very useful, given the extremely high cost of audio-visual slide show productions using medium format projectors (see note below).

Postings Related to Slide Projectors...

Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998
From: "R. Bender" [email protected]
Subject: [Rollei] Rollei] Super slides

I use a Mamiya superslide cutter that I got from KEH for $40 a few years ago:

Mamiya Superslide Cutter Manual
(courtesy Bell and Howell/ Mamiya)


I saw in their recent catalog under Mamiya 645 stuff, section MS39, that they are now going for $29 new:
http://www.keh.com/catalog/text/ms.html

Does anyone know if 35mm film scanners do a decent job with superslides? I'm thinking about getting an HP PhotoSmart scanner with the HP Photosmart photo printer.

R. Bender
(A Mamiya, Nikon and Rollei user. Formerly known as [email protected].)

From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996
Subject: 127 slide mounts [Ed. Superslides]

With all the talk lately on Baby Rollei's, I'm still trying to find some 127 slide mounts. Anyone have any ideas for a U.S. source?

Porter's Camera Store, Box 628 Cedar Falls, Iowa 50613 Cat # 55-0275 $14.95 per box of 100...same are reusable

These can also be used to salvage a 2 1/4 x 2 1/4 that was shot too loose..just cut same down with scissors and slide it into above. It can then be projected with a regular 35mm projector...quite spectacular as it has about 35% greater image area than a regular 35mm slide.

Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996
From: Marc James Small
Subject: Kiev 66 projector

I have a Kiev 66 and have used it for several years. Like so many SPS (Soviet/Post-Soviet) items, it is mechanically crude but optically superlative.

Mine dates from the early 1980's and is dual format. The slide trays are DIN. The plug is NOT a standard one, though. Single-voltage -- 220v only -- and it took me a while to find a HIGH power transformer (the transformer was made in China: thus my MF slide projection is done with American or German film in Dutch slide mounts, German trays, on a Ukrainian projector powered by a Chinese transformer -- wow! Almost as bad as my Swedish/German/Ukrainian/Japanese Hasselblad. Talk about world cars!)

A friend who just came back from Kazakhstan said you could pick these up new-in-box for $US 15 there.

There are other dual-format projectors (Leica used to make them, and I believe Rollei, Kindermann, and Zett -- old Zeiss-Ikon -- still do) but these are quite expensive.

Marc

Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96
From: Witold Paluszynski
Subject: Re: Kiev 66: 6x6 projector.

QUESTION:
Im interested in the Kiev 66 slide projector which I have seen in a book and in an ad, but there was only minimal info with it.

I have the Kiev 66 slide projector. I have owned it for about two years with light use as I don't take that many 6x6 slides, and I started taking them after I got the projector. Anyway, here is what I know: it takes standard 7x7-mounted 6x6 slides and what looks to me like a standard 6x6 Rollei 30-slide tray (I never had the Rollei 6x6 tray in my hands). Weighs 11.5 kg (that's 25 pounds). The controls are for: power on, bulb on, single advance, time advance (5-45 seconds), economic light power (extends bulb life, but see below). The cord remote control provides forward and backward advance, and focus adjustment. There is also a 5-pin DIN socket in the back, which the instruction describes as a: "tape recorder synchronization socket".

The 3.5/150mm Triar lens that comes with the projector seems OK. I don't have much to compare it with, but the images are definitely in a different class than even a nice Kodachrome slide projected side-by-side from a 24x36 Rollei. My disappointment with the Kiev projector was with its light output. Projected onto a screen of the same size as with the Rollei, the image is dimmer. Not very much, but I find myself hungry for (light) power. Now, my calculation is that if we direct the higher light power of the Kiev (250 Watt versus the 150 Watt bulb the Rollei has) on the same screen area, the image should be brighter, regardless of the screen distance, lens focal distance and the slide size, am I wrong? I am talking slides of similarly lighted scenes.

QUESTION:
* Is it capable of taking normal format (24x36 mm) slides ? I've seen a picture of an older Kiev 66 model which had this feature, but I heard the new one couldn't do this any more.

My Kiev does not have any adapter for small format slides. Which, IMHO, doesn't make it incapable of displaying them, but why would someone want to do that? All the trouble with a MF slide projector, the weight, the cost, etc. is so much higher than with a 24x36 slide projector than I can't think of any reason why one would insist on having a single dual-format projector instead of having one of each (except, possibly, limited storage space, but in that case, do you have space to project the 6x6 images?).

QUESTION:
* Is it durable ? What breaks usually ? -> is it fixable easy ? Does it use western-standard bulbs ...

It uses standard halogen 24V/250W bulbs. It has a non-standard electric fuse (Russian standard, smaller than the European 20mm), but that's not a problem unless one has a habit of frequently taking one apart with power on. (Also, mine came with 3 spare fuses.)

It's heavy and sturdy. The electronics and the mechanical construction are quite ancient, although mine never failed me. Once I thought it was broken as I tried hard pushing the slide tray in. I was desperate so I went to read the instruction manual. It said to only move the slide tray by operating the power control buttons, which worked. I think the construction of this projector, with transistors and everything screw mounted, in fact makes it easy to repair by any skilled repairman. The one part of the projector that looks like it won't last long is the remote control, but it's only got wires and switches inside. (In fact, I think I already had problems with some of the RC switches not making contact.)

QUESTION:
* What is a good price for it. Where could I get it (Germany ? Mail-Order).

No clue. They are probably cheap in Ukraine, but no mail-order. I bought mine in Poland from an Ukrainian guy for approx. US$50.

Witold Paluszynski
Institute of Tech. Cybernetics
Wroclaw Technical University
Wroclaw, Poland

Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 (MET DST)
From: Thor Legvold

Subject: Re: Medium Format Projector (MFD Vol. 6 No. 20)

I just want to mention the Meopta Medirex 6x6 projector. I looked at Hasselblad (does anyone really use that much money on a slide projector???), Rollei and some others that all are nice but cost min (in Norway) about US$1500.

The Medirex cost me about US$200, is solidly built, quite simple and(but) completely manual. Works fine for me, optical quality is good (Meopta makes very nice, but simple, enlargers) etc etc. Depends on what you need. I've given several professional presentations with mine and having to manually change slides never was a problem, of course you have not music sync etc (although I did play a tape I made, talked and changed slides according to a prearranged plan, but I'm ambidexterous ;-)

Glad to (finally) have something to contribute.

Regards from the medium format snob,

Thor Legvold

presently in exile in Croatia (and interviewing for a photojournalist jobb in 2 hours...)

Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996
From: [email protected] (Bob Salomon)
Subject: Kiev 66 projector

Rollei makes two 35mm only projectors and two 6x6cm projectors. The only projector Rollei made that used both 2 1/4 and 35mm trays was the P11 which has been discontinued for a couple of decades.

Bob

From: [email protected] (Robert Smith)
Date: 20 Sep 94
Subject: Re: Medium Format Projectors

QUESTION:
From: [email protected] (Simon Ogilvie)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 94 16:05:30 BST
Subject: Medium Format Projectors?

I've been taking 6x6 slides for a while now, and am becoming dissatisfied with only being able to view them on a lightbox, so I would like to get a 6x6 slide projector. Having spent a lot of money on camera equipment lately I can't afford a new one, so I'm looking out for something secondhand but there seem to be very few around. The only one I've seen recently was a Hasselblad which was around $2500 secondhand which is way over my limit! What else I am likely to be able to find and roughly how much am I going to have to spend? Are there any pitfalls I should be wary of? Ultimately if anyone has one they want to sell please get in touch!

I have had a similar problem which was somewhat solved recently by advertising in the "rec.photo.market". I obtained an old ANSCO manual projector which can project both 35mm and 6x6 med formats. It was priced at $35.00 which was about right, I think. There should be more similar models out there if you can advertise. We have a free weekly pub in this area called the "PennySaver". This is excellent for local stuff.

There is a friend of mine who has an old Sears model which takes a 35mm magazine automatically and med format manually. I don't think he wants to sell. When I was asking him for possible contacts, he demoed his unit but never acted as though he was interested in selling. However I will inquire if you wish.

Good hunting,
dr bob

From: [email protected] (Jack Campin)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94
Subject: Re: Medium Format Projectors

you should be able to get a second-hand Aldis dual-format projector for under 100 pounds in the UK; they regularly turn up in car boot sales and junk shops. With a bit of modification, an old lantern slide projector will work too (though not very well). The Mamiya Pro Cabin is about 600 pounds new, I think.

Somebody (either here or on Usenet) once alluded to the Pro Cabin being capable of projecting 6x9 slides. Is that true? If not, what is the best bet for this format? (thinks: why stop there?... 6x17 projectors?...)

- jack

From: Robert McArthur [email protected]
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994
Subject: Projector

As far as I can tell, having asked the question on rec.photo a while ago, the only 6x7 projector is the Mamiya: good, expensive. Hand feeding seems the norm for any medium format projector I've seen. There seem to be a number of 6x6 projectors; one came up a while ago second-hand for $A 150 - snapped up before I could make the call, and I don't have a 6x6 system even :-( I have asked for comments on how to build a 6x7 projector and have had no comments except "Tell me if you find out more". So far, I haven't started but eventually... when I get the $ to afford my Pentax 67. It's good to hear another happy owner!

Robert McArthur

From: Robert Slugg [email protected]
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994
Subject: Re: 120 Projectors

Re: 6x7 projector.

A lot of universities have the old lantern projectors in their surplus areas. These are for the 3x4 transparencies and sometimes have extremely long lenses, but an inexpensive lense in barrel could convert them into the useful range. Our camera club in NC met in a rec center with one wall set up as a film screen, and I used to project 6x6 slides up to 12' by 12' with the balomatic. That'll create some converts in a hurry.

Bob

From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995
Subject: Zeiss vs. Schneider; Goetschmann Projectors

In spring 1995, you wrote in an issue of the list about a photo exhibition on the west coast in the US, I think it was something like Viscom '95, am I right?

However, in the article you wrote about a slide show in one of the monters, where a projector named Goetschmann 8585 AV was used. I have never heard of this projector before and you wrote that it could take 6x7 slides and, as I catched it, it was a rather advanced projector. There is a 6x7 projector from Cabin in Japan, but it is an old-fashioned manual projector, without a slide magazine, so it is not so interesting for me.

Mikael Larsson [email protected]

Applied Physics and Electrotechnical Engineering
Linkoping Institute of Technology, Sweden

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997
From: Richard Ross
Subject: Re: Kinderman 2 1/4 Projectors

QUESTION:
The price is right on the manual model (appx $550). Anybody have any comments on this unit (66M) (image quality, construction, etc)?

I have a Kindermann Telefocus 66, which is a remote control model, non-autofocus. The lens is a bit basic (2 element) but is pretty good. Better lenses are available but they are *expensive*. Illumination from the 250W bulb is excellent corner to corner, and general construction is fairly solid. I bought mine 2nd hand for 200 pounds and have been entirely satisifed with it. It's not a Hasselblad, but then it's an order of magnitude cheaper!

Cheers
Richard

Hemel Hempstead, Internet: [email protected]

Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997
From: Simon Stevens
Subject: re: Kindermann 21/4 projectors

I bought the manual model Kindermann projector years ago and loved it. My problem is this: At the time I bought it I lived in the UK. I now live in the US where the voltage is different of course. It looks to me that the transformer just needs to be changed to give the same output for the lamp and fan motor. Does anyone know who could do a reasonably neat, but inexpensive conversion? None of the dealers around here (Washington, DC) seem willing to help.

Thanks,

Simon.

From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996
Subject: Re: 6 X 7 projector

The follow-up answers concerning my experience with the Kinderman projector is as follows:

1. The lens is a Wetzler Maginon 1:3.0/150 mm. It seems atequately sharp when projected to 6' X 7'. I believe it will be fine at 10' square (3m X 3m). The lens is focused manually by turning it in and out.

2. The weight is about the same as a 35mm projector - maybe a pound or so more. The bulb is easily accessable for changing.

3. It uses a 30 slide tray. The tray is advanced by turning a knob on the slide arm. The arm is pushed in and out to change slides. Its 100% manual.

There is an automatic version which applies to the slide advancement, not the focus. Recent costs from B&H in New York are $525.00 manual; $990.00 automatic.

I hope this is helpful. Incidently, mounting the slides is simple!

Best regards, Norm Goos

Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96
From: [email protected] (Iain Dawson)
Subject: Filmosto Projector

I have aquired an old 6x6 projector and I am interested to find out more about its origins. The brand name is FILMOSTO and it bears an Ennar 1:3.0 f=135mm lens (Enna Werk, Munchen). Does anyone know anything about the company that made it, and approximately when it was made. It is quite solidly made and the lens is quite good. It is in excellent condition. I paid $75 Australian (= US$60 or 35 UK pound) which seems cheap for any kind of medium format projector.

Iain Dawson

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F8rn_Aase?= [Ed. note: messed up in original]
Subject: RE: Superslide or 120 projector?
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997

QUESTION:
I could buy an A16s back and shoot superslides (4x4) which I can mount and use on normal slide projectors.
What would be the better option? TIA for your opinions.

First: You dont have to buy an expensive A16s back. Just build a 4x4 mask from a transparent sheet of plastic which will fit on the focusing screen of your hassy. So you will have a hint for the format while shooting. After the developement you can cut the 4x4 part of the slide and mount it. But take care, not all 35mm slide projectors can project superslides. Most cut off the edges. try first with an (empty) mount.

Second: If you have ever projected a fullframe MF slide, you dont want to see a 35 slide any more!! So try to get a MF slide projector even the cheap Meoptas are not bad.

OMHO
Chris

From: Philip Greenspun [email protected]
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94
Subject: Re: Medium Format Projectors
Reply-To: [email protected]

I'm very happy with the image quality of my Rollei medium format projector (straight trays, US$700 when I bought it, US$1000 these days) and Schneider lens (US$500 when I bought it, probably more now). I don't think it would work very well for multimedia presentations which is what the 'Blad projectors are mostly designed for, but it does the job for home slide shows.

The Mamiya Pro-Cabin might be even better because you can do unmounted strips. Believe me, you get might tired of cleaning those stupid glass slide mounts.

Hey guys: I just put a tutorial on hand coloring with PhotoShop on the Web...

http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/philg/photo/hand-coloring.html

-- Philip Greenspun

From: Chris Kordzik [email protected]
Subject: Response to 4x4 'superslides' format
Date: 13-JAN-98

I have done some MF projector research on the net over the last two days, and while there are certainly still a few manufacturers left on the market, the prices of new MF projectors make my eyes water.

The granddaddy of all MF projectors seems to be Goetschmann 8585AV, an automatic 6x7 projector which can be set up with Kodak SAV dissolve controllers, assuming you will ever be able to afford more than one, as it sells for something like $5-6000 (without lens, I think) Specs at www.mamiya.com, prices at www.wscreen.demon.co.uk. It will take 6x4.5, 6x6, and 6x7 slides in 85x85 glass mounts. Add a substantial amount of money for a Schneider projection lens, there are seven of them from 75 to 400 mm. The unit weighs 48 lbs.

There is a manual version called Goetschmann 67.

I have also located on the net the very elusive Rollei P66AV Dual P, which will take both 6x6 and 35 mm. Prices/specs at www.wscreen.demon.uk

Then there are of course the better known Hasselblad PCP 80 and Rollei P 66 AV, well renowned for their cost.

After checking the prices I feel slightly faint, I think I need a stiff drink or three. When I sober up, it will be back to the calculator and bank statements, then I'll talk to my wife, then I'll possibly need to see a divorce lawyer. Why would I ever want to see a projected MF slide, anyway, when I have a perfectly good 35 mm Nikon system... Bottom line: MF projection strictly a lottery win territory, I think.

From: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996
Subject: Re: Mounting slides

Hi- I can't comment on mounting MF slides for projection as I don't but I can suggest that always wearing cotton gloves to protect them during handling will eradicate all fingerprint and dust problems.

I used to keep my MF slides in self-adhesive card mounts until I realised that should I be lucky enough to get any published they have to be ripped out. When I send slides off now I use Trippelmasks from Flash Foto (UK). These are 5x4 sized black card (consisting of 3 layers of card for strength) mounts that have 'grooves' on either side of the window opening that enable you to simply slide the tranny in between 2 of these card layers. No glue or tape is required. The lot is finished off with a diffuse backed sleeve.

Lee

E-mail: [email protected]

From: [email protected] (Richard Urmonas)
Date: Mon, 2 May 94
Subject: Slide mounts

For some years I have used glass mounts for my 6x6 slides, the reasoning for this was that the large film area needed "support". Last weekend I needed to quickly do some temporary mounts and used some Hama brand glassless mounts. They appear to do a good job of supporting the film etc.

I would like some opinions of glass versus glassless mounts, covering a wide area of consideration. To start the discussion here are some thoughts:

- Storage: My father had some old glass mounted slides whilst living in the tropics. These developed fungal growths on the film, the glassless film did not. (are modern films susceptible to this still ?).

- Handling: The glass tends to protect the film during handling etc. But not having used the MF glassless mounts I wonder if this is really true in practice.

- Projection: Has anyone noticed a difference in projection characteristics between the glass and glassless slides ?

- Finally is the original argument I was given so as to buy glass mounts actually valid ? (i.e. is the glass really required to "support" the film.

I will summarise any mail sent to me.

Richard Urmonas

From: [email protected] (Dane Snow)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996
Subject: Slide Mounting

I recently purchased a Mamiya 645 Pro system, and since I prefer shooting color slides (Velvia or Lumiere), I have started putting together the necessary projection equipment. I just bought a Kindermann 8016 Auto projector. My question is: what is the best way to mount the slides? The Kindermann manual recommends glass mounts to prevent "popping" during projection. I bought a few boxes of Gepe glass mounts. These appear to be significantly less expensive than similar mounts from Wess (~$11.75US vs ~$17US for a box of 20 6x4.5cm glass mounts). Getting the slide into the mount, however, seems extremely tedious. Mail order film processors such as Kodalux return the transparencies unmounted and uncut in a plastic sleeve. It's easy enough to cut these apart with ordinary scissors, but I find trying to slide the transp. under the metal tabs without getting fingerprints and dust all over them a bit tricky. This is complicated by the slight curl to the film from being rolled up for delivery. Once the slide is in place, snapping the two halves of the mount together is simple.

I also have a large number of old 6x6 slides taken mostly by my father with his Rolleicord TLR that need remounting. They're in cardboard mounts that have warped over the years and tend to jam in my new projector. At my present level of proficiency, re- mounting hundreds of slides would take forever. Is there a more efficient way? Also, what is the best way to remove slides from old cardboard mounts? There are inexpensive razor blade gizmos for cutting apart 35mm mounts, but I haven't seen anything similar for medium format mounts.

I would appreciate hearing from others about your methods for handling medium format transparencies.

Thanks,
Dane Snow
Santa Clara, CA
[email protected]

From: [email protected] (Gwen Peterson)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 96
Subject: Re: Mounting Slides

I don't have any magic answers, but I can absolutely recommend using lintless gloves (at least on one hand) while mounting transparencies. I don't tend to us e mounts with glass, since they can't be safely mailed. I've used plastic Clark mounts, where you slide the film into the sandwiched halves; this is probably the fastest but not always secure. I've used cardboard mounts from Adorama that are easier to position but need taping (they say they're adhesive, but they don't stick for me). I've also used the Gepe glassless mounts and found them the most awkward to use (they're just masked 6x6 mounts) and too thick for convenient mounting in slide pages.

One other suggestion: don't project your slides unless/until absolutely necessary! Review them on a light table. If possible, only project dupes. You don't want your priceless images faded or fried by hot projector lamps.....

Gwen

Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996
From: Dr William M Theis
Subject: cheap MF slide projectors

I have a Liesgang 3.25"x4.25" projector with an anistigmatic lens (lantern slide projector) which I picked up for $150 that does a great(!!!!) job.

Made by Linhoff in germany it is built like a tank and excellent optics. No fan though (you have to add) and it only does 1 slide at a time

a friend bought a beseler lantern slide projector that does about as well.... they are easier to find and cheaper....

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996
From: "David L. Glos"
Subject: Beseler Slide King and Mamiya C33

I don't really want to clutter the group with for sale adds but the above two items would be of particular interest to readers of this group.

The Slide King is a late sixties vintage, industrial quality slide projector capable of filling an auditorium sized screen from slides as large as 3 1/4" by 4". No automation or trays, strictly a push/pull insertion device. In 'as new' condition complete with a metal storage box (approx 10"x10"x30" and 35 lbs total weight) Not for the faint of heart but capable of truely great results for those willing to accomodate its size. I will happily provide more info to anyone that cares to e-mail me.

I used the C33 as my introduction to medium format photography and would like to see it go to someone interested in using it likewise. It has served me well but I just purchased a Norita 66 and the Mamiya needs a new home. Priced reasonably. Again, e-mail for more info.

[ed. note: no email address given, see: http://www.exeter.ac.uk/mfd/archive/v6/v6n47.html]

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998
From: Steven T Koontz [email protected]
To: Robert Monaghan [email protected]
Subject: Re: 6X9-4X5 projectors?

you wrote:

Hi Steven,

see my new page on medium format and larger projectors both new and used at http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/bronslideproj.html - 25 pages (typed) of info and models, original costs, features etc.

you're not going to believe this! I got a sears 500 projector and had no idea it would take 6X6 slides! thanx alot......

steve's photography http://www.mindspring.com/~skoontz
[email protected]

[Ed. Note: 6x6 Slide Projector]

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998
From: Thompson Photo Products [email protected]
Subject: Re: query about slide projector

Dear Sir,

Thank you for contacting us. The Balomatic is for 2x2 (35 or Super) slides. The only 2 1/4 projector I have is a Rollei P11. It is priced at $495, but I've had it awhile and would sell it for $375. Trays are available.

Thanks,

Brad Isbell

Thompson Photo Products http://www.thompsonphoto.com
2019 University Avenue e-mail: [email protected]
Knoxville, TN 37921 fax: 423-541-5636
USA voice: 800-951-6215 or 423-637-0215


[Ed. note: this is about 35mm projectors, but the point on popping slides is brought out well, worth considering if your pocketbook allows ;-)]

rec.photo.equipment.35mm
From: [email protected]
[1] Re: any hope of buying a (35mm) slide projector??
Date: Fri Jan 23

[email protected] (Luca de Alfaro) wrote:

Gaurav Aggarwal ([email protected]) wrote: : Shall I just stick to prints? I haven't seen anything used in nearby : shops and can't afford more than $250 I think. There aren't too many : slide projectors for sale on the r.p.m also. BTW, what models should I : watch for? I usually look for only Kodak carousels.

Isn't the Leica P150 less than $250?
The P150 is a good bargain. Invest in the Colorplan 90mm f2.5 lens (avoid the Hektor) and you have a very high quality, price competitive setup. The lamp is only 150 watts (as opposed to the 250 watts of the P300 and P600) but the condenser is very efficient and the image is brighter than some 250 watt projectors from other brands.

Furthermore, the current Leica Pradovit projectors are the only ones to my knowledge that prevent any "pop" effect during projection, thus permitting much smoother operation with glassless mounts. There is nothing more irritating both to spectators and projectionist than constant focus adjustments due to "after-pop" correction. And nothing more tedious than systematically mounting all your slides under glass.

Unless you are on the road showing your slides in locations where you have no control on projector to screen distances, avoid any zoom projector lenses: they will make your images much darker.

Take a peek on http://www.leica-camera.com/pradovit/psys_e.htm

[Ed. note: point about slides being only 4 percent of overall sales too true]

rec.photo.equipment.35mm
From: "Mark Mathu" [email protected]
[1] Re: any hope of buying a slide projector??
Date: Fri Jan 23

When considering a budget for slide projection equipment, don't forget that you'll have to buy a screen (unless you already have one). A new 60"x60" screen on a tripod mount set me back about $160 the other week.

[Definitely go for slides instead of prints if that's what you want to do. Slide takers are a dying breed, especially among amateur photographers such as us. Someone correct me if I'm wrong -- I thought I saw somewhere that only about 4% of Kodak's film sales are slide films nowadays. It's nice to see someone still giving it a thought. There's something about the impact of a four foot wide lighted image that a 4"x6" print can never match. I chose to go with slides instead of prints when I got my first SLR -- a manual Canon -- back in 1978, and have had no regrets about the decision.]

--
Mark Mathu
http://www.netcom.com/~mmathu

From: Rick Campbell [email protected]
Subject: Response to Straight Slide Trays for P11 Rollei Medium Format Projector
Date: 1998-02-05

Hi Robert,

I bought two dozen 6x6 trays (at $50 a dozen, used) from the following address. He might still have some for sale.

Photographic Associates
PO Box 296
Middlebury CT 06762

Love those 6x6 slides!

Good luck, Rick

Bulbs - motion picture only

From: [email protected] (Willem-Jan Markerink)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: Re: 6X9-4X5 projectors?
Date: 13 Jan 1998

Noble (Germany) makes a single-slide 4x5" projector, for images taken with their Noblex 5x12 panoramic cameras.

Having very few moving parts, it isn't even that expensive....less than US$2000 I recall.

The next smaller projectors are 6x7, although some old 6x8 units seem to float around in the US.

I have a list of MF projectors on my homepage:

http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm
--
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

From: [email protected] (Ken Felsman)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: What's the best way to view slides?
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998

[email protected] writes:
What's the best way to view slides without spending a lot of money? I'd go for a slide projector, but the ones I've seen have been pretty expensive. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Matt

I wouldn't use a slide projector... You aren't able to test the quality of the slide, just the quality of the projector lens.

Best bet is to get a good 4x lupe and a light box.

The cheaper way to go would be to be to buy a 5000k flourecent tube (found at your local lighting store). Place that under a pane of glass and you have a cheap light table.... For magnifying the image, you can use your standard 50mm lens. I purchased a cheap off brand 50mm that I use as a lupe.

Ken Felsman
[email protected] 

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998
From: Bob Shell [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] 6X6 Projector   

>>>>From time to time inquiries about 6X6 slide projectors have been seen on
>>>the list. I know of one that might be available for $385. It is a B&L
>>>with automatic and manual modes. A carrying case and at least six 6X6
>>>slide trays are included. Contact me if interested.
>>>Bill Lawlor   

Bill,

These projectors are famous for two things:  Jamming, and jamming all over
again!

They project a decent image, but not as good as the modern lenses.  

I'd peg one as around $ 100 bucks worth of heavy castings and glass.

At least he's got some trays!  Most I have seen didn't have any.

I took part of the guts out of one of the ones I have and put a flash tube
inside it where the projection bulb normally is, and was using it to
project patterns onto models around ten years ago.  Got bored with that and
put it in storage and haven't seen it since. Probably in a corner of the
attic.

Bob

From an EBAY listing

 Malinvero
medium format slide projector w/7 Rollei slide trays and Projar
1:3.5/135mm ISCO Gottingen lens. This slide projector was bought almost
ten years ago, used a couple of times and put in storage. It is in near
mint shape. It may need a little lubrication after ten years but otherwise
works great.  The Malinverno uses current Rollei 66 trays. Similar Rollei
projectors run 1200 to 1500.  Projector comes with original box with
remote. 




From: Craig Shearman 
Subject: Response to Mounting/Storage of 6x4.5 Slides
Date: 1998-03-16

First, get your film out of the cardboard tubes before they develop
irreversible curl. You should store unmounted 120 negatives or transperancies
in the pages made by Printfile. They hold three strips of four frames (6x6)or
three strips of five frames (645) on an 8x10 page.




I would use the plastic mounts if you plan on projecting your images.




Craig Shearman/Baltimore   




From: Clive Bubley 
Subject: Response to Mounting/Storage of 6x4.5 Slides
Date: 1998-03-16

Michael,




Many professional photographers, processing labs and picture libraries use
our precision die cut black card 'Presentation Mounts' for storing and
presentation to clients. Each card folds to a size of 5x4inches and has an
aperture just a fraction smaller than the slide's dimensions. They are
available for transprencies in all sizes from 35mm to 6x9cm, and there is
room on each card for a descriptive caption label. 

Transparencies, still in their protective sleeves, are simply cut with a
sharp pair of scissors, positioned over the aperture and then held in
place with a couple of strips of double sided adhesive tape. (Best done on
a light box!). 

They are available mail order from: Presentation Mounts, 59 The Vale,
Golders Green, London NW11 8SE, United Kingdom. Tel: 44 (0)181 455 8208
Fax: 44 (0)181 458 7329 email: [email protected] Price 13.35 UK Pounds
per 100 mounts + 6 UK pounds airmail postage (4/5 days) or 2.75 UK Pounds
surface mail (6/8 weeks!). 

Clive



Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:16:34 -0600
From: Ulrich Barthel [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] P11 repair

Jan Decher wrote:

> Given all the talk about camera repair, I have a few repair etc. questions
> regarding the old Rollei P11 projector:
>
> 1. Is there a good repair manual for this projector?  I have a functioning
> P11 and a broken down one and would like to transfer some of the nicer
> parts of the broken down one (like the outer casing) to the functioning 
one.
>
> 2. My P 11s are configured for American voltage.  Can this projector be
> converted to European voltage (220V) if I ever move back? (Parts 
available?)
>
> 3. I am missing a mid-range lens 160 to 200mm for projection.  Any 
leads on
> a used one?  How was the (old) zoom lens for this projector?
> (I know the new lenses fit!)
>
> 4. Finally, where can I find a decent quality screen (4 x 4 or 5 x 5 ') to
> hang from the ceiling. ( I may have asked this here before but lost the
> reference).
>
> Jan

  Hi Jan
Re point 2) The parts to convert to 50HZ are available, what you need are
a couple of gears and a different fan blade; do not dismiss the 
difference in the fan blade. Lamp cooling is marginal even with the 
correct fan blade. If you have more questions e-mail me directly
Ulrich

[Ed. Note: this is posted for listing another 6x6 projector, probably sold long ago, but you might want to add Ansco Duolet to your lists ;-)]

From: "Don Blume" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.marketplace
Subject: FS: 2 1/4" X 2 1/4" SLIDE PROJECTOR
Date: 28 Mar 1998

I have an "ANSCO DUOLET" 2 1/4" x 2 1/4" single shot slIde projector in VERY GOOD condition. It does work, bulb and all. In fact it it has not had a lot of use. I will sell with shipping for $65. by MONEY ORDER. I live in the suburban Chicago area.

Don

[email protected]

From: Matthew Harrington [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: 4 X 5 Projectors
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998

I have been using 31/4 X 41/4 slides and projector for years however the lack of 31/4 X 41/4 film is making me consider going to 4 X 5 format I already have the 4 X 5 camera and dark room. I want to know if I can acquire a 4 X 5 projector in good condition. Does any one else have the same predicament, what do other people into large format transparencies do to project their slides?

Matthew Harrington

From: Jean-David Beyer [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: Re: 4 X 5 Projectors
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998

I have used a Beseler overhead projector for this (they make several models and I do not know which one I used), and it was terrible for photographs. The field flatness of the lens was inadequate, so I had to decide which zone of the transparancy (4x5") I wanted to be in focus. Color correction not too good (color fringing obvious). They may make better ones, but the one I used was clearly meant for text and line drawings in black and white. Possibly it was out of adjustment, but there are not many adjustments for it (size and focus only, as far as I could tell).

--
Jean-David Beyer
Shrewsbury, New Jersey

From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: Re: 4 X 5 Projectors
Date: 11 Apr 1998

Hi everyone,

Noblex, the company that makes panoramic cameras, manufactures a 4x5 projector.

If I recall correctly, it lists for nearly $2,500.

George

From: [email protected] (Jost Jahn)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: Re: 4 X 5 Projectors
Date: 11 Apr 1998

Am 11.04.98 meinte [email protected]

> I have always thought that 4x5 projectors do not exist, but if you
> find out anything on the subject please let me know. thanks.
there are existing TITAN projectors up to 8x10 inch, I think. The prices are in the $30000 range and more. You can also rent them (here in Germany) for about $1000 a day. You need also special lenses. The projectors are for wall projections (to project pictures onto a church or so)...

Not for the amateur...only for firms

---
Jost Jahn, Bodenteich, FAX 0581-31165

From: [email protected] (Danben1)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: Re: 4 X 5 Projectors
Date: 12 Apr 1998

I believe that Noblex, which makes panoramic rotation type cameras, makes (or made) a 4x5 projector. It's supposed to project 6x12 panoramic transparencies, as well as full size 4x5s. I checked it out about 3 years ago, but I could never find one to look at, and when I found out the price was $3000.00 (three thousand) I decided to forget about it.

From: Frank Calidonna [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: Re: 4 X 5 Projectors
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998

Maybe in an antique shop or a school that throws absolutely nothing away one could find an old lantern slide projector. Most were capable of projecting almost 4x5 which might not help the original poster. It might work well as an inexpensive 6x7 projector, The ones I have seen were 1000 watts. I would invest in a heat absorbing glass and if I remember correctly most lantern slides were glass mounted. I have never seen a slide as large as even 6x7 projected, but I imagine it must be stunning.

Frank Rome, NY

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998
From: Robert Monaghan [email protected]
To: Willem-Jan Markerink [email protected]
Subject: overheads - Re: Viewing MF slides?

a recent poster noted that his overhead projector was poor as a means of projecting the image, mainly due to inability to get sharpness across the entire image - center and corners. One or more corners never sharp...

But that's an interesting point too - simply replacing the mirror and cheapy optics with a front surface mirror, and a really sharp copy lens might do the trick. They are bright enough, cheap enough in surplus, and easily masked for 4x5 or whatever. Worth a try, anyway. Potential to do 5x7 and 8x10 is nice, and panoramics another possibility.

I also like the idea of getting a full page light table projection onto a large screen with 6x6 and 6x7 slides - I usually mount my 6x6 chromes in archival plastic pages - so wouldn't that be nice to just pop on an overhead projector and see them up on the big screen, a page at a time? ;-) ;-) a really no squint slide viewing page setup ;-) ;-)

great ideas - just what I need - more projects ;-)

regards and happy holidays

bobm

From: [email protected] (Thor Lancelot Simon)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: Re: reversed enlarger - was Re: 4 X 5 Projectors
Date: 13 Apr 1998 

Robert Monaghan [email protected] wrote:
>Greetings;
>
>Besides the Noblex 4x5, I have heard that a number of inveterate crusty
>old-timers used to convert 4x5 enlargers (or for that matter, cameras)
>for use as a 4x5 projector. Sounded feasible, but I would like to hear
>more and see more of such beasts, if anyone has done so - would be a hoot.

My freshman year at Tisch I took a color class where for the first several weeks we shot chromes. I was already shooting pretty much exclusively 4x5, so I found having to shoot 35mm chromes for projection kinda a nuisance after the first week.

The best solution I came up with was to get a 4x5 camera with a plain ground glass from the equipment cage, and use a hot light and some baffles for illumination. It wasn't totally even, and eliminating light leaks without catching anything on fire was a bit of challenge, but it really worked a lot better than I'd expected it would.

If there'd been a spare enlarger head I could snag, that would probably have been a lot simpler. Of course,a 4x5 enlarger that can tilt the head for wall enlargements is *already* a projector; look no further, just be sure it doesn't have a cold light on it.

--
Thor Lancelot Simon
[email protected]

From: [email protected] (Ari Pesonen)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: Re: 4 X 5 Projectors
Date: 11 Apr 1998

Matthew Harrington [email protected] says: 

>Does any one else have the same predicament, what do other people into
>large format transparencies do to project their slides?

I've heard of a guy who uses an overhead projector for this purpose, but I don't know how the quality of the projected picture is.

Ari P

rec.photo.equipment.large-format
From: "P.H.Groepper" [email protected]
[1] Re: 4 X 5 Projectors
Date: Tue Apr 14 16:14:05 CDT 1998

The NOBLEX 4x5 projector lists for about DM 4500. It is manually operated and looks indestroyable and simple. I've got a folder at home but have no further details here with me.

BTW: Framing a 4x5 transparent seems not a very common thing. So far I have not found frames, but Noblex told me, they have it, if needed. However, I have decided, to do some other priorities first, before buying the projector...

Peter
--

rec.photo.misc
From: Gary Hunt [email protected]
[1] Re: 35mm Slide projector - Which one ?
Date: Tue Apr 14 23:26:30 CDT 1998

Unless your wall is flat (i.e. NO texturing) and painted with a non-glossy white paint, you are unlikely to find it very satisfactory as a screen. However, you don't necessarily have to buy a 'real' projection screen. I have used a 60+ inch wide window shade for years (matte white, mounted on a board so it can be hung from the wall and rolled up and down.) It hangs as flat as most projection screens, and cost about 1/10 as much as a screen of comparable size.

As for projector brands, this is more a religious question than a technical one. The same people who insist that Leica cameras are better than everyone else's generally have the same view of their slide projectors. My own religion is that slide projectors should be reliable and trouble-free first, second and last; since I have yet to wear out a Kodak one in 30+ years of trying, I like them a lot. Other than some considerations of brightness and evenness of the illuminated field, the lens is far and away the most important factor in the quality of the projected image. Kodak projection lenses have a reputation as mediocre, fully justified by their low prices. A good projector lens can easily cost as much as the projector; Schneider, Buhl, Navitar and others make high quality lenses for Kodak projectors, if you're willing to pay for them.

Ebay Ad: Bausch and Lomb Model 705 6x6 Slide Projector

A 2 1/4 X 2 1/4 Bausch & Lomb Balomatic 705 Slide Projector. The projector has a Bausch & Lomb Anastigmat Balcoted 7 inch f3.5 lens. The projector is metal with a crinkle finish. The projector works throughout and is in good to very good condition. There's a metal tag on the back that says "Made expressly for Mongomery Ward by Bausch & Lomb Inc."

Second there are four Bausch & Lomb Slide Trays, and their boxes, for 2 1/4 X 2 1/4 Transparencies.

[Ed. note: sold 4/10/98 Ebay for $142.50 with trays and mounts]

[Ed. note: 4/14/98 Ebay offering - reserve not met at $46 - Bausch and Lomb Corp. Balopticon model C projector - old style condensor lamp housing, manual slide feed, and bellows with lens mount standard on two thin rails which extend from base of lamp housing. Lots of small brass hand set-screws to set up distances etc.]

rec.photo.equipment.large-format
From: [email protected] (Willem-Jan Markerink)
[1] Re: 4 X 5 Projectors
Date: Wed Apr 15 21:02:00 CDT 1998

Noble (Germany, manufacturers of the Noblex panorama cameras, (24x69mm, 50x120mm & 50x170mm)) makes a Noblux 4x5" projector. Listed in my 1994/95 Linhof(!) catalog. 500W light bulb, 280mm/f4.0 Visioplan lens. Tessar 360mm/f6.7 'in preparation', same as with a motorized roll film transport (not sure what they mean, 120, 70mm or perhaps even 5" rollfilm....Linhof has equipment for all thes formats!)

Once saw this beast at the Dutch Noble distributor....quite impressive!....:-))

About US$2500....not even that excessive, considering LF prices in general. Of course, it's an all manual beast, single-slide, as with LF in general....;-))

--
Bye,
Willem-Jan Markerink
[email protected]
[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]

rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
From: steven T koontz [email protected]
[1] something to do with 120 chromes..
Date: Thu Apr 16 20:54:00 CDT 1998

Well after shooting some 120 chromes and admiring them on the light box I was wondering what to do with them.. While I was waiting to pick up some prints I saw these AN glass "super slide" mounts, 4CM X 4CM that fit a 35mm projector.. well cropped and mounted some and WOW. a real big square to throw in a 35mm slide show.. should make get a "ohhh" out of a few of these.. Now itching to get out the 6X6 TlRs again (have mostly been shooting 6X9) and make some more of these... Also now see what that smaller square in my minolta autocords finder is for...

steve's photography & Z car stuff
http://www.mindspring.com/~skoontz
[email protected]

From: Gary Stuebben [email protected]
Subject: Response to 6x7 Slide Projectors
Date: 1998-04-22

B&H Photo in New York City sells the Mamiya "Pro Cabin" 6x7 projector. Price is $1279 with 150mm lens, or $1399 with 200mm lens.

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 98
From: David Walker [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: MF projectors.

When I last looked at your list, I could not see the Noris Trumpf MF projector.

I bought is cased with a 6x6 slide holder and a 35mm slide holder. It also had two lenses. 

They are marked as follows:
        1:2.8/85    Staeble         Proj.-Katagon
        1:3.5/150   ENNA  Munchen   Proj. Ennar

The projector has PLANK just above the slide carrier.

On the side it says "Noris", on the case "Noris Trumpf".

On the rear of the projector is a plate saying: 

        NORIS-PROJEKTION
        50/60 Hz.
        220/240v.
        350W.
        Lampe 300W.
        Then "D" in a circle and "N" in a circle.

There is a 3 way switch knob below the lens, marked "O", "I", "II" for the lamp control.

Do you know anything about the quality of this unit please?

Yours sincerely.

David Walker. (UK).

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998
From: fv [email protected]
Subject: Re: ? Medium Format Slide Projectors


Any idea where I can get a manual for a TDC duo projector that I bought a few months ago

thanks

fred

[ed. note: I suggested John Craig's 40,000+ photo manual site at: http://www.craigcamera.com/ as a possible source of manuals/info...

Anybody got a TDC Duo manual they can provide Fred with a copy or know of a source, please contact him directly at email address above... Thanks!]

From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Medium Format Slide Projector Bulbs

A good sourse of bulbs is INTERLIGHTS they carry many types of bulbs. Tel. # is 800-743-0005, they are located in Hammond , Indiana Robert P. Pielli--Portraits by Pielli

From: [email protected] (Lesaus)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Medium Format Slide Projector Bulbs

Fred,

Try Bulb Direct at 800-772-5267; http://www.bulbdirect.com; [email protected]; fax: 800-257-0760

Ed Saus at [email protected]

From: Tom Fineran [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Medium Format Slide Projector Bulbs
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998

You may consider trying www.bulbman.com and get their 800 telephone number.

They have both a diverse inventory and excellent prices.

Regards
Tom Fineran

From: "bologna" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: ? Medium Format Slide Projectors
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998

There are a bunch of used ones out there priced very reasonably. I came across a used Rollei today for $750, a couple of old Bell & Howell's for $250. The same place had a few junky ones that were definitely serviceable for $50. Just get one the phone and call around to photo shops that deal extensively in used equipment.

-Tony

Date: Sat, 09 May 1998
From: Chris Bitmead [email protected]
Subject: Re: prices 4x5 and 8x10 projectors was Re: 4x5 Projector 

Robert Monaghan wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> Thanks for your notes ;-)
>
> RE: overheads - there is a post suggesting this, and another one noting
> that the image is not flat and in focus from edge to center. My personal
> theory is that a decent lens and front surface mirror might fix this ;-)
>
> if you give it a try and it works - let us all know and post a few photos
> of your successful project - The overhead is fairly cheap, bright, and
> easily masked and used - but for $150, you don't get great optics ;-)

Yeah. The question is I guess whether you can get good lenses and front surface mirrors. If not, some smart company should do it and make a lot of bucks. They could probably sell $300 projectors for $1000 as " 8x10" projectors" !

--
Chris Bitmead
http://www.ans.com.au/~chrisb
mailto:[email protected]

[Ed. note: I pointed Chris to a $30 4x5 front surface mirror source listed in my http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/mf/notes.html page...]

Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998
From: Gary Shank [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: 4x5 and 8x10 Projectors

Hi,

I found your post on this topic in the Deja News archives. Have you ever heard of the Projection Optics Co. projector model 5010 'Transpaque'? This has the same configuration as an overhead projector except it is much larger and has a large barrel lens. It is supposed to throw a very bright image over a considerable distance, although, I have not verified this. The surplus price on this is $300. I don't do transparencies but I thought I might pass this info on to someone who might be interested.

Gary Shank
[email protected]
Fort Worth, Tx

From: [email protected] (Willem-Jan Markerink)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Slide Projection
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 98

I have a list of MF/LF projectors on my homepage:

http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm

I recently came across a Liesegang 9x12cm projector....never heard of these before, the only current one is a Liesegang 6x7 Diafant I believe....

--
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

From: Gary Shank [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: 8x10 Projector
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998

The Transpaque model 5010 projects 10x10 transparencies using a 30in.f5 lens. Light from the 1000w lamp shines on a large parabolic mirror which directs it up through a condensor lens under the film. A 45 degree mirror redirects the image horizontally through the projector lens. The projected image is focused by sliding the lens forward or backward is its mount. For an image size of 8ft x 10ft the distance from the screen to the projector is about 30 ft. Maximum acceptable magnification is probably twice that. Although they are no longer manufactured, they are available on the used/surplus market.

Gary Shank
[email protected]

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Older cameras vs. newer ones

On 98-07-09 00:24:56 EDT [email protected] (Richard Lahrson) writes:

>I suppose slide shows are less popular today than in the past. I had the Rolleikin 
>for the Rollei T and made some superslides.
=================================

Superslides are 40mm square. I can't understand how you can get a superslide from a 35mm transparency produced with a Rolleikin. You must have cut a 6 by 6 chrome down to superslide dimensions.

Gepe makes a nice glass mount for superslides. I guess HP Marketing is still the distributor for Gepe in the U.S..

R. J. Bender (a Nikon, Mamiya and Rollei user)

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rolleikin questions

you write:

On 98-07-10 06:50:04 EDT [email protected] (Richard Urmonas) writes:

>Having joined a camera club I find there is no MF slide category.  Now I find that I 
>take my best photographs with a TLR.  So I am considering fitting a rolleikin to my 
>Rolleiflex.

========================================

Shoot 120 chrome and cut it down to 40mm by 40mm square superslides. Superslides have the same exterior dimensions as 35mm slides and can be entered in PSA competitions. You can usually hear the audience's reaction when they see a superslide after seeing a round of 35mm chromes.

R. J. Bender (a Nikon, Mamiya and Rollei user)

Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998
From: "Roger M. Wiser" [email protected]
Subject: [Rollei] Rollei dings, repairs and projectors

I am a newcomer to this list. In the past I owned a Rolleicord V, Rolleiflex(s) MX-evs, MX, TLR's that I got rid of. I got a Mamiya 330F with a bunch of lens but I did not like it so I am disposing of that. recently I ran across a nice 2.8F Planar 12/24 and re-entered the Rollei arena. The camera seems to be in good condition but has a couple minor dings.

**What I did is bought some black spray paint at Ace Hardware and sprayed it. It worked OK but i got some paint on the Planar Lens but I removed it easily with steel wool and comet.

** An exageration - I did not do anything!!!

Seriously, I want to have it checked because it has not been used for a while. Has anyone got comments on Heinz Graahoff in Michigan? I know there are some Rollei repair places in CA also.

I bought a Viewlux 6x6 projector for $1 at a garage sale, then I sold it. But later I got the desire to get another 6x6 so I bought a similar Viewlux for $8 at an estate sale. They are available when attics are cleaned out.

It is nice to hear all your comments.

Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998
From: Bob Salomon [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] rollei List Digest V1 #790

Most 35mm U.S. made projectors have condensers designed for 35mm. That means they cover a 36mm circle. Superslides are 40 x 40mm. With many American made projectors this means that you can have a yellowing of the corners of the superslides when projected in these projectors. Gepe offers standard 40 x 40mm superslide mounts for projectors that do cover the full area or for those people that don't mind or see the fall off. For those who do Gepe also offers a cropped superslide glass mount with a 35 x 35mm opening that eliminates the fall off with any projector. Gepe also offers a superslide cutter as well.

Bob

HP Marketing Corp. U.S. distributor for Amazon, Braun, Gepe, Giottos, GO Light, Heliopan, HP Combi Plan T, Kaiser fototechnik, KoPho cases, Linhof, Pro Release, Rimowa, Rodenstock,Sirostar 2000 

----------
>From: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [Rollei] rollei List Digest V1 #790
>Date: Wed, Jul 15, 1998, 3:01 AM
>

>Do regular 35mm projectors ever have trouble
>covering the entire superslide image?  If
>there was a problem, I guess it could be in
>either the lens or the condenser system (or both)...

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998
From: Steven T Koontz [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Rollei] Med format prejection!

Well I finally found a good deal on a kinderman projector for my 6X6 stuff and if you've never seen a med format "slide" projected, you need to! My question is, how big can it be projected with one of these projectors and still be sharp and bright enough? I have a 4'X4' homemade screen and it looks like it could go twice that big.... I always loved 35mm slides and now I can enjoy my 6X6 ones...

steve's pictures @ http://www.mindspring.com/~skoontz

Editor's note: See Asian Discount Photo Deals Page for more info on buying new items at discounts..

From: zhou ling [email protected]
[1] Re: Q: How to Mount 6X7 transparencies?
Date: Thu Aug 06 22:19:58 CDT 1998

Mamiya ProCabin 6x7 slide projector sells only $400 in Japan brand new vs. 1200+ here in B&H.

=======================================================
On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, [email protected] wrote: 

> [email protected] (Peter Norquist) said,
>
> >'Nother question. What's needed to mount my 6X7 transparencies, a   scissors
> >and some mounts?   ;-)
>
> Basically, yeah.  Call B&H 1-800-947-6650.  You should be able to get   glass
> mounts or plastic frame mounts.  Get a second job to pay for a projector,
> however. Them suckers start at over a grand.  Used ones are as hard  to find as
> chicken teeth.
> Dave
>

From: [email protected] (Bob Salomon)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Q: How to Mount 6X7 transparencies?
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998

[email protected] (Peter Norquist) wrote: 

> I just got into medium format (Pentax67) and have been using this
> excellent forum for answering my novitiate inquiries regarding same.
> Thanks all!
>
> 'Nother question. What's needed to mount my 6X7 transparencies, a scissors
> and some mounts?   ;-)
>
> How do you folks do it? The lab I use (The New Lab in San Francisco)
> doesn't mount 6X7s. And here I sit with a 120 roll of beautiful shots...
>
> Thanks for any and all suggestions.
>
> Peter

Gasser, Keeble & Schuchat, Bear Images, Reeds, etc in your area all should have Gepe 452701 6x7cm mounts in stock. You may also like to use the Gepe 6x7 film cutter which you can order from any dealer.

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From: [email protected] (gary gaugler)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Q: How to Mount 6X7 transparencies?
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998

[email protected] (Peter Norquist) wrote:

>I just got into medium format (Pentax67) and have been using this
>excellent forum for answering my novitiate inquiries regarding same.
>Thanks all!
>
>'Nother question. What's needed to mount my 6X7 transparencies, a scissors
>and some mounts?   ;-)
>
>How do you folks do it? The lab I use (The New Lab in San Francisco)
>doesn't mount 6X7s. And here I sit with a 120 roll of beautiful shots...
>
>Thanks for any and all suggestions.
>
>Peter

First, get a Gepe slide cutter. This will quickly trim the strip to a perfect size for mounting. If you want a few frames mounted for long-term storage or projection, use the Gepe anti-Newton glass mounts. If you are mounting higher volume or are dealing with a stock agency, I'd recommend mounting the frames in self-sealing Bair cardboard mounts. Then, you can store individual mounted frames in a Vue-All ganged page (4 slides per page) or in individual protective sleeves.

The trimmer (#8667) will run about $150 new. The Gepe mounts (#2701) cost about $23 per 10 pieces. The Bair mounts (#67W) cost $24.60 per 100 pieces. The storage pages (#6037) cost $11.75 and the sleeves (#SS99) are $8.10 per 100 pieces. The Bair mounts and other items are available from The Stock Solution, Salt Lake City, UT. 1.800.777.2076. Fax is 801.363.9707. Call them and they will fax a price list and order form.

Gary GauglerL

From Medium Format Digest:
From: Ulrik Neupert [email protected]
Subject: Response to 6x6 slide mounts
Date: 1998-09-01

I use glassless mounts after having bad experience with the longlivety of glass-mounted 35mm slides. The worst glassless 6x6 mounts I ever tried were those from Gepe. The metal frame bends the slide, making it impossible to lay flat. I now use the Hama Proslide AV glassless frames. Of course the slides are not as flat as in glass-mounts. It is always a compromise.

From Medium Format Digest:
From: Werner B�ckelen [email protected]
Subject: Response to 6x6 slide mounts
Date: 1998-09-02

Hallo,

I also had bad experience with glass slides. I switched to glasless mounts, first to the HAMA Proslide AV. They have a big disadvantage: The slide is absolute punched with to little holes. That gives the slide a very high tension, especially during projection. You often find the projection very unsharp.

I finally found some very cheap, but nearly not compromising mounts. They are called "Journal Fix" by Archivtechnik Kunze. They slide can move a littlebit, and believe it or not, if you have pressed the slide before mounting within two bookpages let's say for one night, the flatness of the slide is phantastique!

Try it! You get the Journal-Fix Mounts at www.brenner-foto.de. They are available for 6x4,5, 6x6 with a 7x7 cm mount and a 6x7 Version with a 8,5 x 8,5 cm mount.

Werner

From: "Rick Rieger" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: How to Mount 6X7 transparencies?
Date: 12 Aug 1998 02:11:00 GMT

Try the 85mm 6x7 mounts available from Wess Plastics. 516-231-6300. The part number is IGA067 and they are $24 for a box of 20. These are anti-newton glass mounts. You don't need any equipment for mounting except for a pair of scissors and a pair of cotton gloves.

[Ed. note: why duping slides for projection needs makes sense...]
rec.photo.equipment.35mm
From: "David Foy" nomail@this_address.please
Newsgroups: rec.photo.film+labs,rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Re: Does projecting a slide ruin it?
Date: Sat Sep 05 12:27:16 CDT 1998

Kodachrome is definitely degraded by projection. If memory serves, there is measurable loss of color after something under two or three minutes in the projection gate, according to a Kodak publication I saw in the recent past. I don't know of any color chemistry that is fade-proof (not even Ciba dyes) and the light in the projection gate is ferociously intense.

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rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Date: Sat Sep 05 12:56:46 CDT 1998
From: "Christopher G. Mullin" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.film+labs,rec.photo.equipment.35mm
[1] Re: Does projecting a slide ruin it?

Chris Oughtred wrote:

> If you project slides A LOT. I recommend putting them in glass slide  mounts.
> This will protect them from heat and also absorb UV light which will fade
> the dyes. All projectors basically use the same light source, lamp wattage
> may vary

Also, Kodachrome doen't last as well under projection as other slide films-- but it lasts *much, MUCH* better than any other color film if you keep the slides in the dark. So, shoot Kodachrome and make projection dupes, (making new ones every 30 years or so-- more often if you project your slides a lot) Your non-Kodachrome slides, along with your prints and negatives, will last much better if you keep them frozen and gradually warm them up before looking at them, only nobody except archivists wants to do that!--Chris

[Ed. note: price point info...]
From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.marketplace
Subject: FS:Liesegang A60 medium format projector
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998

I have a like-new Liesegang A60 projector in its original box I am offering for $400.00. It was used to project a total of 50 Hasselblad slides. Joe Alinsky

From: [email protected] (Olivier Philip)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Inexpensive 6x7 Slide Projector or Viewer
Date: 18 Aug 1998

Hi,

I was in the same situation and I found an old delineascope after I posted a message in the newsgroup.

It is an old projector, fairly large, but cheap. I paid $25 for it.

The lens was not in good shape but I found a good one for $35.

I am not saying that you will find one for $60 like me, but look at older equipment and you should be able to find what you are looking for.

and yes I can still find bulbs for this beast.

the images projected are fine, much better than 35mm images.

Olivier

From: "Keith Wiebe" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Inexpensive 6x7 Slide Projector or Viewer
Date: 19 Aug 1998

I've seen an old TDC projector just like my 35mm job but is for medium format (don't know which formats though). I could have bought it for $60.00 but didn't think I was shooting any slides though. A person would have to buy some kind of slide holder as the labs don't mount them like they do 35mm slides. Keep looking. they're out there.

Keith Wiebe

From: Stan Chang [email protected]
Newsgroups:rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Inexpensive 6x7 Slide Projector or Viewer
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998

Check the medium format NG or search Dejanews.com in the MF NG and search for projectors. I once saw army surplus type place selling projectors that one MF poster bought for $150 or so. I saved the info, but my diskdrive died and took that tidbit into digital heaven. Sorry.

Stan

rec.photo.equipment.35mm
From: "David Foy" nomail@this_address.please
Newsgroups: rec.photo.film+labs
[1] Re: Does projecting a slide ruin it?
Date: Sun Sep 06 13:45:29 CDT 1998

This may be helpful: http://webs.kodak.com/global/en/consumer/products/techInfo/e30/e30Slides.shtml

From Medium Format Digest:
From: Dave Super [email protected]
Subject: Response to 6x7 Slide Projectors
Date: 1998-08-17

I have a Pro Cabin Projector w/150 lens. They are distributed by Mamiya. I tell you, when you project a 6x7 trans onto a screen, it looks so real it seems like your there. I picked mine up for $900 used with an 85mm x 85mm and 70mmx70mm carrier.

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998
From: Robert Monaghan [email protected]
To: "R.F. Peters" [email protected]
Subject: bulb life Re: Realist 620

yes, very good point, I may add your post to the page ;-) rewiring is an option, one-time cost...

you can sometimes find a shop dumping its old stock; I bought some bulbs at ebay for a few dollars each ;-)

my personal approach is to consider wiring in a diode in the bulb circuit and switch to the regular setup - cuts the light to low while extending life a lot, and fewer hot filament failures too ;-) others just wire up a sturdy light dimmer and dial it down ;-) a quiet squirrel fan is also a help as heat is always a problem with these older beasts, and a few fans can cure that fast ;-)

regards bobm

On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, R.F. Peters wrote: 

> I have a Realist 620 and they use an obsolete (maybe available (?) but
> if so, very expensive) bulb. Maybe someone who stocks obsolete bulbs can
> supply them at a reasonable price, but I had mine rewired with a new
> socket for a current, less expensive bulb at an audio visual shop.
> That cost me $40.  Can't recall what the original bulb was.
>
> before I'd buy a Realist, I'd want to do a search to see if the bulbs
> can be found.   That may be true of a lot of these.

Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998
From: Dirk-Roger Schmitt [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rollei P 11

Hello, I got a respose of "Ulrich Barthel [email protected]":

Hi Dirk

The regular 500W lamp when not adjusted properly had the tendency to melt its glass envelope and crack the condersor in front of it. The Halogen lamp for the Northamerican marcket was called DYY and it was a direct replacement for the regular 500W; same base+ same filament and filament position; but much smaller glass body and thicker glass wall. Rated at twice the life of the regular 500W it also was twice the price. Let me know if you want me to look for one. I have sold plenty in the past but none in stock at this moment. Also I do not know if still available.

Regards
Ulrich in Toronto

Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998
From: Ferdi Stutterheim [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rollei P 11

>The regular 500W lamp when not adjusted properly had the tendency
>to melt its glass envelope and crack the condersor in front of it.

The regular 500W lamp should be used with an extra heat filter. The condensor box has a free slot for another filter. This may be hard to get

Ferdi.

Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998
From: Dan Post [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rollei P 11

Heat filter glass is available at our old favorite, Edmund Scientific; they have variable sizes, and I am sure that with a little care, the glass could be cut down in any event.

Dan
[email protected]

From Medium Format Digest:
From: Peter Caplow [email protected]
Subject: Response to Question on MF slide mounting
Date: 1998-09-13

Kodalux used to mount 2 1/4 square slides free when you used one of their processing mailers. They were cardboard mounts but they were well done and very convenient and the price was right. A few years back, they dropped the service entirely and, for a while, I tried heat seal cardboard mounts that I sealed using my wife's steam iron (without the steam). They always warped badly and it was such a nuisance to mount slides that I went back to 35mm for the next few years. Lately, I have come back to MF and have tried three brands of glassless plastic slide mounts. The Gepe and Wess mounts were purchased from B&H and Clark mounts are available here in Minneapolis from a local processor called Pro-Color at about $.41 each. My least favorite are the Wess.

After placing the slide into one side of the mount, they fold shut like a book and are held closed by an overlapping catch on one side. I don't like them because they are so thick. The Gepes aren't bad. They come in two pieces and one side has a metal insert with tabs on opposite sides to catch the slide.

Then the other half is snapped over the first half. They are thinner than the Wess mounts but not as thin as the Clarks. If I mount a slide and after viewing it a few times decide it's not worth a $.41 mount, getting them out of the Gepe is a bit of a hassle. My favorite (by a small margin) are the Clarks.

They are one piece mounts with a slot on one side into which the slide is inserted. They are very thin but the slides seem to stay just as flat as in the other mounts. They are held in the mount quite securely just by friction.

I don't know of a mail order source yet but you could try contacting the manufacturer directly at: Photo Plastic, Intl., Chicago, IL. For me, there's nothing quite like a projected 2 1/4 slide.

Peter Caplow

rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
From: [email protected] (gary gaugler)
[1] Re: slide mounting of 6 X 6
Date: Wed Sep 23 1998

...

Gepe makes anti-newton plastic mounts. Very expensive and heavy but very good. They take some practice to learn how to load but they are good. Gepe also makes a cool cutter machine to perfectly cut the strip to the right size.

For regular, stock work, I use cardboard. You can get all sizes from The Stock Solution, Salt Lake City UT. 1-800-777-2076. A hundred 6x6 mounts costs $24.60. They also carry archival sleeves for all sizes of mounts even the panorama ones.

they are very fast and highly responsive. I recommend them. Currently I'm buying about 5,000 35mm mounts per year and 500 6x7 mounts per year.

Gary Gaugler, Ph.D.

Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998
From: Lucian Chis [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] rollei List Digest V1 #848

Bill,

I don't advise you to use the cardboard mounts which are available at the processors. They tend to curl and jam your projector (I don't know what projector you have) and wreck your slides. I have some of those and I am holding my breath everytime I project them!

You can buy GEPE antinewton glass mounts for about $0.75 each from your local dealer and that is the best value. (How much do you pay for a 3X5 print form slide?) They come in boxes of 20 for $13-$17 and they are easy to assemble.

You might want to invest in a serious guillotine or punch if you will do a lot of these; using scissors gets on your nerves quickly!

Happy projecting,

Lucian

rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
From: Jim Bradshaw [email protected]
[1] Re: 6 x 9 slide mounts- do they exist?
Date: Tue Sep 29 1998

6 x 9 slide mounts do exist, and are carried by Image Innovations, 7685 Washington Ave., South, Minneapolis, MN 55439, 1-800-345-4188. This might not do readers in Europe any good, but it's good information for those of us in the U.S.

Jim

Special thanks to "R. Peters" ([email protected]) for supplying this Brumberger Riviera Manual Extract!

Your Instruction Booklet for

Brumberger

Slide Projector Model #1422 Riviera

(300 watt blower cooled - for 2 1/4'' x 2 1/4'', 35mm, Bantam and Stereo Transparencies)

Brumberger Projector

Brumberger - Brooklyn 32, N.Y.

Lamp Replacement and Alignment

To replace burnt out projection lamp, first remove cover (MB-2 Fig. 1) by unscrewing coverlock knob (SM-3 Fig. 1), at the same time lift cover up at front and swing it back till it is clear of base (MB-1 Fig. 1). Twist lamp counter-clockwise and pull it up, out of its socket. If difficult, remove chimney (SS-6 Fig 2) by pulling straight up. Insert new projection lamp (T-81/2, double contact only, Bayonet base, either C13 or 2CC-8 filament, (G.E., Westinghouse, Radiant, etc.) 115 volt, 300 watt), by pushing it down and then twisting clockwise until it is locked in the socket.

Due to necessary manufacturing tolerances, projection lamps vary. Thus when a new lamp is inserted into the projector it usually will have to be realigned with the projector's optical axis if maximum screen brilliance and uniformity of light is to be realized. When the filament image from reflector is alternately spaced with the lamps actual filaments, both being about the same height and filling up almost the entire lens opening, the lamp is properly adjusted. To check this turn lamp on, take a dark enough colored filter to permit looking into the front of the projection lens without harming the eyes. (A piece of smoked glass or an overexposed and processed piece of photographic film can also be used for this purpose.) The filaments should appear as shown in sketch, all approximately the same height and width.

NOTE: Eyes should be lined up with center of lens to avoid parallax effect.

filament image

To obtain proper sideway alignment adjust screw (SM-6 Fig. 2. To obtain proper actual filament height, adjust screw (SM-5 Fig.2). The reflected filament image height is then adjusted by loosening the locking thumb screws and adjusting reflector mtg. bracket (SS-7 Fig. 2), relock thumb screws.

NOTE: Usually the lamp will only have to be adjusted sideways with screw (SM-6). Do not move reflector or screw (SM-6) unless necessary.

Always be sure that condensors, heat filter clips, and the chimney are in place before replacing cover. To replace cover, engage hook at bottom back of cover under lip at top of back of base, tighten cover lock knob (SM-3 Fig. 1).

Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998
From: Ari Pesonen [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rolleicord Va

Yes, but the 4.5 x 6 is only a nominal size, which is practically impossible, since the width of the film is only 6 cm. The actual negative size is usually something like 4.1 x 5.5 cm.

If you measure the opening of a 4.5 x 6 slide mount, you'll find that it is 4.0 x 5.4 cm. I have mounted Rollei slides in these mounts without any problems.

Cheers,

Ari P.

From: [email protected] (Willem-Jan Markerink)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: Re: Large format slide projectors?
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 98

[email protected] (Helge Nareid) wrote: 

>Do anyone on this group know of any large format slide projectors? I
>have a dim recollection of somebody mentioning the existence of one some
>time ago, but a DejaNews search didn't find anything.
>
>What I'm really looking for is a changing mechanism for automatic
>changing of 10x10cm or 4x5" glass plates. If anybody makes a slide
>projector capable of handling these sizes, we may have the starting
>point for such a mechanism.

Noble makes one, 4x5", for their 5x12cm panorama frames. All-manual, at most a twin-frame slider (one being projected, the other for changing). About US$2k.

Of course, since they have a 5x17cm panorama camera as well, a 5x7" should exist as well, but it doesn't....8-))

The sad thing is: I need two of these animals if I want to project a 280 degree view, consisting of two such 5x12cm images....damn....;-))

--
Bye,
Willem-Jan Markerink

From: William Theis [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: Re: Large format slide projectors?
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998

Liesgang made a Lantern slide projector. VERY good optics but only projects horizontal 3.25x4.25. Beseler also made similar, less optical quality

From Medium Format Digest:
From: Brian C. Miller [email protected]
Subject: Response to Slide duplication
Date: 1998-10-16

The Pentax 67 does have a slid e duplicator, but it has to be used in conjunction with the auto bellows unit. For a total price of over $2100 for the equipment, I think that it would be better to have a service do it.

From: Royce Bair [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format,rec.photo.film+labs,rec.photo.marketplace
Subject: Panorama "slide" mounts for 6x17, 6x12

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998

I designed a 6cm x 17cm and a 6cm x 12cm panorama mount a few years ago, and finally put up a web page about them just last week. Both mounts are self-sealing, and made out of thick, 26 point white paperboard. They are also available with a black finish. If you shoot color transparencies let me know, and my associate Christina will gladly send you a sample. To learn more about these mounts, go to:

http://www.tssphoto.com/sp/617.html (6x17)
http://www.tssphoto.com/sp/612.html (6x12)

Royce Bair

[email protected]

From Medium Format Digest:
From: Bob Creason [email protected]
Subject: Response to Old MF Projectors
Date: 1998-10-27

I had one of the TDC projectors I purchased in the mid 1950's and used it until the mid 80's. The optics were excellent. When you show 35mm slides and then the 6 x 6, the 6 x 6 will blow you away. Nothing to compare them to. The only disadvantage is it is manual feed for each slide. Don't think I ever saw a tray feed system for them.

Hope this helps. Bob

rec.photo.equipment.35mm
From: [email protected] (Neuman-Ruether)
[1] Re: projector lens quality
Date: Sat Nov 07 20:29:15 CST 1998

On Sat, 07 Nov 1998 13:20:11 -0600, "Paul" [email protected] wrote: 

>Recently go tback into taking 35mm slides and bought a Kodak Carousel with
>standard lens.  This lens looks *very* basic to me.
>
>The question I have is "Am I doing justice to the quality of my camera lens
>by projecting slides through something clearly inferior ?"  Does a projector
>lens have to be as good as the camera lens ?  I can see in issues like flare
>this is clearly not the case.  Also they are obviously required over a
>limited image range.  Still, I have this nagging doubt that projection image
>reporoduction is compromized by the projector lens.

It is, no matter how good the projection lens is...! ;-) And, then, there is that film curvature problem... If you want to go all-out, glass-mount the slides to hold them flat, use a premium flat-field projection lens, make sure the screen is flat and well-aligned with the slide and lens, and make sure the condensers in the projector are matched to the FL of the lens for best illumination evenness. A matte-white screen will give the best sharpness and widest angle of view, but not the brightest image. Short of this, you can do well with a good-quality curved-field lens (assuming you leave the slides in the original mounts). Adding a black paper "aperture" to the lens (with a hole about right for stopping the lens down about one stop) will improve sharpness at least some. The Kodak lens isn't terrible, but a $200 Schneider will look better!

David Ruether
[email protected]
[email protected]
http://www.fcinet.com/ruether

rec.photo.equipment.35mm
From: "Michael A. Covington" [email protected]
[1] Re: projector lens quality
Date: Sun Nov 08 11:16:18 CST 1998

Right. To my considerable surprise, a Kodak *zoom* lens that I got with a flea-market projector recently is considerably sharper than either the flat-field or the curved-field 100-mm Ektanar.

--

Michael A. Covington / AI Center / The University of Georgia
http://www.ai.uga.edu/~mc http://www.mindspring.com/~covington

Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998
From: Tony [email protected]
Reply to: [email protected]
Subject: Re: slide mts.

The Widescreen Centre in U.K. stock quite a comprehensive list of glass and card mounts in 6x6, 6x9, 6x9 and Widelux/Horizon formats.

Their website is

Tony Andrews,
Australian Widescreen Association

Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: widelux slidemounts

Last group I bought were from Wess Plastic at 70 Commerce Dr, Hauppauge, NY 11788, tel 1-800-itswess.

Bart

Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998
From: Bob Salomon [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rollei Users list digest V2 #43

Of course they didn't say that. YOU said English is the universal language.

The U.S. is not the major slide projection market. Germany still has a larger market for slide projectors than the U.S.. In fact, the year before re-unification the U.S. bought fewer slide projectors than the former West Germany. And look at the manufacturers of slide projectors. In the U.S. there is Kodak and that's it today.

In Germany you have Kodak Germanys projector, Braun Nuremberg, (with more models than Kodak offers here), Reflecta, Leica, Zett, Rollei, Kindermann, etc. Most of these companies also sell projectors as kits with 2 projectors in a box with one or more levels of dissolve or programmers depending on the price.

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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998
From: Dennis Mairet [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Rollei] 6x6 slide mount options

I have accumulated quite a few 6x6 slides with my Rolleicord. I just bought an old TDC Duo projector (via E-bay). Now, I need to find some slide mounts.

There are two bits of "common knowledge" that are confusing me. 

1. For 35mm the projector lenses come in curved field and
   flat field varieties.  The flat field ones are for glass
   mounted slides.  Your choice of slide mounts should
   match you choice of projector lens.

2. For 6x6 you need glass mounted slides to keep the slide  
   flat during projection.

Do any of you have experience with the old TDC single slide manual projectors? Do you use glass mounts? Were these old projector lenses formulated for flat field or curved field?

I need advice on one other fine point. I notice the Gepe glass slide mounts come in one or two AN pieces of glass. Part number 2601 comes with one AN piece. I guess the other piece is ordinary glass. Part number 2602 comes with two AN pieces. How does one choose between these two offerings? Is two always better than one?

Also, how useful is the 6x6 slide cutter? Will I be just fine with some scissors?

Thanks,
Dennis Mairet

Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998
From: Dirk-Roger Schmitt [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] 6x6 slide mount options

I don't use glass slides anymore.

I used also the GEPE mounts, but it is a hazzle to get the slide mounted without dust. Also after some years the slides can get fungus. Anyway you get a contamination layer inside the glass after some years. So you have to dismount, clean and mount again.

I now use slide mounts without glass. The name is HAMA Pro Slide AV. You fix the slide with a pin in the mount. The slide can move in all directions if it is heated up, so it does not curve too much.

The results in projection are o.k, you can mount very fast and you cannot get fungus anytime. The shortcomings are: Projection quality a bit poorer than with glass mounts (but only a little bit) and risk of scraches, fingerprints and dust on the slide during handling.

I recommend this system with a high rating.

Dirk

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998
From: Lucian Chis [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] 6x6 slide fungus

Well, if you are not blessed to live in the Western US, don't advocate the futility of glass mounted slides based on fungus problems. That is true in Europe, New England and the South, not to mention Far East!

Also I have both the older Rollei plain glass and Gepe mounts, and I prefer the Gepe obviously for the antinewton feature, but after several transparencies have been substituted in the same mount, it tends to come loose when you least expect it (in the middle of the show). So from the durability of the mount the Rollei are better, but I don't think these are available anymore.

So Gepe AN it is for me. I have tried cardboard mount which would be about the same as yout plastic mount (hama) but I found myself refocusing for different parts of the screen. But then you have a cheap projector, you can afford to go with cheap cardboard mounts (they won't jam). Why bother with medium format if you are not going to have it right?

I am sure I can beat your projection with my Leica projection of 35mm, whatever you spent on your camera and lens if you use that projector/lens/Hama unglazed mounts combination. Too bad Dirk is not closer, I would offer a challenge to him as well. He might have a very slow lens if he doesn't see the corners out of focus with his slides. But with 2.5 or 2.8 good lens it bothers me! Then I understand why he hates the glass. But that is the only way in 6X6! I have never heard of a CF lens in medium format.

Cheers,

Lucian

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998
From: "Robert R. Creason" [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] 6x6 slide mount options

Hi Dennis:

I had one of those TDC slide projectors. I think I bought it new about 1955 and sold it in 1984 when I moved. The bracket that slides forward to permit swapping the slide changers had broken and could not be repaired. It was a very good projector with excellent optics as I remember. The only objection I had was there were no slide trays available for use with it. Each slide had to be inserted one at a time. I don't remember if the lens was designed for flat or curved field. I used both glass and cardboard mounts. One type of glass mount I used was Star-D and the other was just labeled Gold Reflex

Binder. I don't remember where I bought them. Also, I don't really remember much difference in the projected quality of the glass vs. the cardboard mounts. It would seem the glass should be better do to the flatter transparency. Looking at them now, 40 years later, it is clear that the transparencies in cardboard mounts have aged much more gracefully than the glass mounts. If I were going to mount any today I think I would stick with the cardboard. All my cardboard mounts were done by the lab doing the developing for me. I never tried to mount any myself. All of these were shot with my trusty MX TLR that is still going strong today (I think it needs a CLA as the shutter button sticks sometimes)!

I would recommend some kind of cutter to cut the film, but you may have a more steady hand than I do.

If I had seen that TDC on eBay, I probably would have bid on it myself, as I don't have a 6 X 6 projector now.

One of the things I liked to do was to show some 35mm slides then switch to the 6 X 6 and the difference would blow everybody away!

I hope this is of some help.

Bob C.

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998
From: Richard Urmonas [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re:[Rollei] 6x6 slide mount options

Firstly a properly mounted slide should remain flat regardless of glass or glassless mounts. The important thing is that the transparency is held only at one point. This allows it to expand freely.

Glass mounts:
I have used these for many years with no problems with fungus. My father did have fungus problems but that was in the tropics.

If properly mounted you only need single AN glass. This goes on the side where the middle of the slide bulges to (the side facing the lamp). My understanding of how AN glass works is that the rough surface makes the contact areas consist of small points which limits production of newton rings. Double AN glass is only necessary if the transparency "buckles" in the heat thus touching both sides. This should not happen if the slide is properly mounted and a modern projector used.

Glassless mounts:
More recently I have switched to the Hama ProSlide AV mounts which others have mentioned. I find these to be very good. The glassless mounts are much quicker to use. If I was exibiting slides in public I would use the glass mounts for protection, but for normal home use where only I am handling the slide the glassless are fine.

Cutting film.
Scissors are fine. A light table is nice to help line up the cutting (and mounting). A table lamp can be used but is a bit more trouble as the film must be held up vertically while cutting.

--
Richard Urmonas
[email protected]

From Medium Format Digest:
From: Mark Windom [email protected]
Subject: Response to 67 Slide Mounting & Storage....
Date: 1998-12-02

Don't use glass mounts. They are prone to breakage and, as you have already seen, editors don't like dealing with them.

You have a couple of choices. Several companies (e.g. Light Impressions) and some well equipped camera stores offer black presentation mats or mounts for 67 transparencies. They make for a great presentation but are quite expensive. Another option, the one I opted for, is to have custom mounts made for you. Most good printers should be able to get you the right material and die cut them to your specifications. For my 67 trannies I used black 80 lb card stock. The mounts have an outer dimension of slightly smaller than 4X5 (so they will easily fit into 4X5 slide pages) and a die cut window slightly smaller than the 6X7 dimensions. I then adhere the sleeved image to the back of the mount using acid free tape (Filmoplast P90). A computer generated caption label goes on the front. If I had it to do over again I would probably try and find some card stock a little heavier than 80lbs. I had some mounts made for my 4X5 transparencies using 120lb stock which would be ideal but hard to find in black.

From Medium Format Digest:
From: Yolin Lih [email protected]
Subject: Response to 67 Slide Mounting & Storage....
Date: 1998-12-02

Wess Plastic has slide mount for 6x7, the outer dimension is 8.5cm x 8.5cm, AN glass or glassless. Call Wess Plastic for their catalog. I remember their 6x6 glassless is ~$7 per 20 and their glassless 6x9 is ~$12 per 20, so the 6x7's price must be somewhere in between or simply the same as 6x6.

I put the mounted slides in the slide page (pocket) for further protection. There're few mm's room between the film and the slide page's pocket. However, I don't know if it would cause humid problems in the long run.

Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] 6x6 slide mount options, Gepe

[email protected] (Richard Urmonas) writes: 

>  Glass mounts:
>  I have used these for many years with no problems with fungus.  My father
>  did have fungus problems but that was in the tropics.
>
>  If properly mounted you only need single AN glass.  This goes on the side
>  where the middle of the slide bulges to (the side facing the lamp).
>  My understanding of how AN glass works is that the rough surface makes the
>  contact areas consist of small points which limits production of newton
> rings.    
>  Double AN glass is only necessary if the transparency "buckles" in the  heat
>  thus touching both sides.  This should not happen if the slide is properly
>  mounted and a modern projector used.

==========================================

The anti-newton glass is the white half of a Gepe slide mount. It goes against the non-emulsion side of the transparency.

In the Kodak forum on AOL, Bob Salomon wrote, "It is critical that the white half face the lamp. This reflects heat away from the film. The other side is dark as it faces the lens and helps to reduce flare. Reverse the halves and you can actually build up too much heat and damage the film in the mount. Even with projectors that meet the industry standards for film gate temperature."

My gripe at that time was that Gepe's "instructions" consisted of three 9mm by 9mm drawings with no text on the inside flap of the box!

R. J. Bender ( A Nikon, Mamiya and Rollei user. )
mailto:[email protected] or
mailto:[email protected]

Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998
From: Bob Salomon [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rollei Users list digest V2 #40

Why not also use Gepe glassless 6x6 mounts? They are also less than our glass mounts and much easier to find than Ham

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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998
From: Dirk-Roger Schmitt [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rollei Users list digest V2 #40

Because the slides remain in the GEPE mounts not as plane as they do in the HAMA mounts.

The reason for that is that in the Hama mount the slide is fixed only at one single pin. So it can expand in all directions during getting warm. In the GEPE mounts the slide is fixed in all four directions. During heating it cannot expand and so it bends.

Greetings

Dirk

Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998
From: Richard Knoppow [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re:[Rollei] 6x6 slide mount options

At 09:56 PM 12/2/98 +1030, you wrote: 

>Firstly a properly mounted slide should remain flat regardless of glass or
>glassless mounts.  The important thing is that the transparency is held
>only at one point.  This allows it to expand freely.

But, the buckling of the transparency from heat is due in large part to differential expansion of the support and gelatin emulsion. Most modern film has a gelatin coating on the back to reduce the amount of this buckeling or curling but I think that even a free transparency will curl when heated. This can be prevented only by flattening it out between sheets of glass or a mounting which puts enough tension on the film to overcome the force of the curling and keep it straight.

...

Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles,Ca.
[email protected]

Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998
From: Bob Salomon [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rollei Users list digest V2 #41

not so at all. Gepe mounts have a metal mask with a slot on either side of the glass. the uncut edges of the film go into the slots. nothing holds the other 2 sides down, unless you taped them down.

the film edges that are in the slots do not totally fill the slots. so the film is not held on 4 edges.

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Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei]OFF TOPIC Gepe instructions

Bob,

Three years ago you wrote in the Kodak Forum on AOL:
"It is critical that the white half face the lamp. This reflects heat away from the film. The other side is dark as it faces the lens and helps to reduce flare. Reverse the halves and you can actually build up too much heat and damage the film in the mount. Even with projectors that meet the industry standards for film gate temperature."

On the Rollei List you said:
"not so at all. Gepe mounts have a metal mask with a slot on either side of the glass. the uncut edges of the film go into the slots. nothing holds the other 2 sides down, unless you taped them down." 98-12-04 05:30:52 EST

Correct me if this isn't true. You can damage the transparency if you project the slide with the dark side facing the lamp. The film will buckle when heated if it is taped down instead of tucked into the metal slots. Those seem like two good reasons for having instructions.

Then you say:

"Which language, other than pictographs, could Gepe use to explain how to assemble and mount the film? "98-12-04 05:59:00 EST

English is sort of a universal language, isn't it?

R. J. Bender ( A Nikon, Mamiya and Rollei user. )
mailto:[email protected] or
mailto:[email protected]
http://homepages.infoseek.com/~rbender/RS.htm
http://members.aol.com/_ht_b/mamiya645/ARS.htm

rec.photo.equipment.misc
From: [email protected]
[1] Re: Looking for 3D Slide Mounts for Kodak Stereo
Date: Mon Jan 04 09:49:48 CST 1999

[email protected] wrote: 

> I have a Kodak Stereo camera from 1956.  It seems to work fine.
> (Amazingly my aunt had been told by a repair shop that it was broken, so
> we never used it after 1960.)
> It takes 35mm film and I have the viewer. The only problem is no one
> makes the slide mounts--or does some one?  Can I make my own easily? I
> would assume that the spacing between images has to be just right. Where
> would I get the material to make the mounts.  Thanks.
>

Hello Jessica, you will find every thing you need to mount your 3d diapo at : Reel 3-D Entreprises Inc.

http://www.stereoscopy.com/reel3d/

Excuse my english, I'm french canadian

Gilles

From Medium Format Digest:
From: david Daniel [email protected]
Subject: Response to 67 Slide Mounting & Storage....
Date: 1998-12-03

I get both my 67 mounts and 67 plastic storage pages from Stock Solution in salt lake. 800-777-2076. I dont use the black mounts anymore, had a calender editor tell me he likes to make little check marks (in pencil) on the mounts to remind him which ones he is considering, then he erases them? Seemed kind of wierd, but they pay good and they seemed to like my stuff so i complied. Now that I use white mounts, i find myself making notations on them sometimes.

From Medium Format Digest:
From: Rick Campbell [email protected]
Subject: Response to Die cutter for superslides
Date: 1998-12-21

Terry,

I seem to remember that Wess Plastic makes one for their slide mounts. Try them at 800 487-9377

rec.photo.equipment.35mm
From: [email protected]
[1] Re: Projector bulbs on the internet?
Date: Wed Jan 13 20:11:12 CST 1999

[email protected] says... 

>Where is the best (read cheapest, but reliable) place on the net to buy
>projector bulbs (Carousel if that makes a difference).

You can check with Grainger (www.grainger.com). They sell hundreds of different projector bulbs. If you live near a large city they may have a store there. They also have a searchable data base on their web site. They sell just about every time of bulb imaginable.

rec.photo.equipment.35mm
From: [email protected] (RWatson767)
[1] Re: Projector bulbs on the internet?
Date: Wed Jan 13 22:54:21 CST 1999

jgwray
Projector bulbs on the internet?

Call Bulbman. They are in Reno. 800 number. Have your VISA ready. What bulb do you need?

Bob AZ

rec.photo.technique.art
From: "Dirk J. Bakker" [email protected]
[1] Re: Any way to crop slides?
Date: Wed Jan 13 16:04:03 CST 1999

Hi,

Another approach is to use slide mounts which have smaller than regular, odd-shape, and/or off center openings. Or hard -edge masks which are sandwiched in a regular mount. Get as hold of Wess Plastic slide mount catalog. They carry all of the above. The last number I have for them is (516) 293-8994.

HTH,

Dirk Bakker

Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999
From: [email protected]
To: Hassy list Hasselblad [email protected]
Subject: Re: 120 6x6 & 6x4.5 slide film cutters Pn#'s

From: Reg Riemer

Hi Guys. I have the Gepe numbers for the 6x6 slide film cutter as well as the 6x4.5 film cutter. What I can't find is a place to purchased these from. They are not available in Canada?

6x6 Pn# 458-666
6x4.5 Pn# 458-665

If any of you know where to buy these at a good price please let me know.

Reg Riemer
Calgary, Canada

Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999
From: Bill Barton [email protected]
Subject: Re: 120 6x6 & 6x4.5 slide film cutters Pn#'s

Reg,

In my GEPE catalog they show the part#'s as such....

6x6-----8666
6x4.5---8665
6x7-----8667

BTW I have never seen the cutters either!!!!!!!

I thought Mamiya made a 6x4.5 cutter?????

Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999
From: Austin Franklin [email protected]
Subject: RE: 120 6x6 & 6x4.5 (& 70mm) slide film cutters Pn#'s

Well we got a quick responce from Bob Solomon from HP Mark.

They list for $201.00 each 

> #8664----4x4
> #8665----6x4.5
> #8666----6x6
> #8667----6x7

For $201, I'd be pretty quick to respond too.

Those part numbers match the ones on the side of the box I have. I have the 4x4 (SuperSlide) cutter, and I REALLY love it! The price tag on the side of the box says $34.95, and I got it 8 years ago.

I put a scan of the instruction manual (it's in German, so I only posted the pictures) at this URL:

http://www.darkroom.com/gepe01.jpg
http://www.darkroom.com/gepe02.jpg

They are about 350kB each. The manual was a bit 'tattered' as there was a mouse apparently taking refuge in the box...luckily s/he has relocated...or maybe that's not so lucky.

Austin

Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999
From: Bill Barton [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: 120 6x6 & 6x4.5 (& 70mm) slide film cutters Pn#'s

Austin,

I know, it's nice to have something useful from a few years back, the prices were all so much less then. Along with my salary.....I have a Linhof 6x7 slide veiwer that I only paid $65.00 for........now there is nothing like that out there....will take mounted and unmounted slides from 6x4.5 to 6x7 size.....Bill

rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
From: "Stephe" [email protected]
[1] Re: What are "super slides"
Date: Sun Jan 17 1999

greg kerr wrote in message 

 >Recently I was told about something called
>"super slides" which as I understand is somehow cutting down 6x4.5
>slides  to 4.5x4.5 in order to fit into a 35 mm slide projector

Super slides are 4cm square and are lots of fun added to "normal" 35mm slides. They alway get ohhh's and ahhh's when one pop's up in a show. While not as chrisp as a 6X6 slide, they really fill up the screen compaired to a 35mm slide. I just cut with sissors and mount my own out of whatever MF slide film I've shot be it 6X6 or 6X9. 

>My last question is how expensive are medium
>format projectors in relation to 35 mm should I opt for 6x6 or 6x7..




6X6's are pretty comon. I have an older manual kindermann that I bought used
for $200. Getting a 6X7 will be harder to find cheap. I like square pictures
but mount some in 6X4.5 mounts to mix it up some..



Stephe






[Ed. note: I am adding this to list this info about Planet CF 66 AF-S - 
but presume this one is already sold...]


rec.photo.marketplace

From: Si Cao [email protected]

[1] FS: Medium format Slide projector

Date: Tue Jan 19 08:26:50 CST 1999


For sale Medium format Slide projector, it made by Planet in Germany
mode CF 66 AF-S. It has 135 mm f/2.8 lens and the projector magazines
hold 30 slides 7 x 7 cm. All types mount may be used. It has remote
control, manual and  hard case. All equipment in Ex. Condition.Will take
a best offer.



Thanks, Si  








rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

From: "Bob Salomon" [email protected]

[1] Re: Rollei P11 info

Date: Wed Jan 20 18:27:19 CST 1999


The P11 uses the same lenses as the later and the current projectors so the
projected quality would be similar.



However - the P11 use tungsten lamps rather than quartz halogen lamps.



Tungsten lamps are expensive, have rather short lives, can swell and blister
creating major repairs.



Additionally the P11 has been out of production for decades, parts are not
always available and you can almost be certain that any P11 being sold today
is in need of a proper CLA.   







From Medium Format Digest:

From: Bill Barton [email protected]

Subject: Response to Slide Viewer for 67?

Date: 1999-01-04


I hate to say the only one I know of WAS made by Linhof that would
take mounted and unmounted slides up to 6x7 size. I have one, but have never
seen another one like it for that size. I bought mine many years ago (25) and
it still works fine....Good luck...Bill    





[Ed. note: presumably a 6x6 projector to add to the list?]

From Medium Format Digest:

From: Greg Mueller [email protected]

Subject: Planet MF Projector

Date: 1999-01-22


Does anyone have any info on a medium format projector made by
"Planet" in Germany. It is a CF66 AF-S. A picture or a website would
be very helpful. My main question is "Will this projector, project 6x7
slides"? ANy help is greatly appreciated    






From Medium Format Digest:

From: Werner Boeckelen [email protected]

Subject: Response to Planet MF Projector

Date: 1999-01-27


The other 6x7 projector comes from Goetschmann. Have a look to
www.goetschann.de. Probably the brightest and hugest projector you can get
at the market. The Planet Projector was produced here in Germany about 15
years ago. It just looks like a Rollei 6x6 Projector (P66S odr Avision66)
and also uses the so called "Universal" magazines for 7x7cm frames. It
definetly doesn't project 6x7. 









From: "Rick Rieger" [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: 6x7 slide projector

Date: 28 Jan 1999 



> May I ask where can one find those glass mounts (6x7)? 





Try Wess Plastics, 800-487-9377. 







From: dgeiger [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.technique.misc

Subject: Re: Why process slides w/o mount.

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999


Another reason for processing without mounting is that the mounts you get
"free" with processing are cheapo mounts. If you are picky on how your
slides look on screen, or if you know that you want to use effect masks,
color masks or alike, then you will have to do the mounting yourself. I
personally like the GEPE 7011 frames. They have a metal mask inside, which
gives you razor sharp edges on screen. If you know the horror of US
Kodakchrome mounts (the cardboard ones) and you have seen just one too
many little paper fibres agitating across your picture, you will
appreciate every cent you spent on the frames. I buy the frames in bulk
and get 1K for $125.



here is my fifth of a mount.            Daniel 





Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999

From: Bill Barton [email protected]

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: 120 6x6 & 6x4.5 (& 70mm) slide film cutters Pn#'s  



> I have a GEPE question for you....
>
> 1. Myself and a couple of other people on the Hasselblad list have a
> question we all have the Hand Mounting Press for 6x6 and 6x4.5 but we
> have never seen the cutters....are these imported to the US????
>
> 2. If they are imported, how much and who could we order one thru...
> they list four of them,
> #8664----4x4
> #8665----6x4.5
> #8666----6x6
> #8667----6x7
>
> Thanks for any info you can pass on.....Bill Barton   





Well we got a quick response from Bob Solomon from HP Mark.


Yes they are imported into the US and we are normally in stock on them.
If you know Hasselblad you can check with Jim Morton as he uses them.



They list for $201.00 each


---------   






From: "PC_405" [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: What are "super slides"

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999


About the superslide issue : superslides will fit in a 35mm projector,but
I've read many current 35mm projectors show vignetting when projecting
superslides,since they're no longer specifically designed to project them.
Seems like superslides where a bit more popular in the past than they're
nowadays. 






Date: Tue, 09 Feb 99 

From: Uwe Mader [email protected]

Subject: [Rollei] Rollei P66 projector


     I do not own a P66 but do own the P11 and a P66S.  I assume the P66 is
     similar to the P66.  The P66S uses the 77 magazines, these are
     straight magazines, holding 30 slides per magazine.  They are still
     being manufactured for the Kindermann projectors so availability is
     not an issue. My projector is autofocus which is not that crucial if
     you will be projecting glass mounted slides.  Located on the projector
     are controls to focus the lens, turn the lamp on and off, and change
     slides, either forwards or backwards.  The remote mimics these, except
     for turning the lamp on or off.  As well, via the remote, one can vary
     the time for automatic slide changes.


     My projector came with a Rollei Heidosmat 150 f2.8 lens manufactured
     in Germany.  The lens tube can be unscrewed from the objective   
     assembly and located on the back, outer rim of this assembly is the
     inscription of where the lens was produced.


     When I got the projector the one difficulty I had was that when I
     projected glass mounted slides with the front height adjusting legs
     fully extended slide changing became very sluggish around the 14th and
     15th slide.  You have to remember that a tray of glass mounted 6x6
     slides does have some weight.  What I discovered was that the slide
     changing mechanism that moves the tray was not moving very freely.  I
     oiled the screw pivot and that seemed to solve the problem.



     All in all I very much like my P66S.  The reason I got the P66S in
     addition to the P11 was that the price was so ridiculously low that I
     could not pass it up.


     If you wish more information e-mail me privately.


     Uwe Mader 






Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999

From: [email protected]

Subject: [Rollei] Opening Pandora's Box: Tests of Projector Lenses


We have a plethora of tests of camera lenses, but very few of  projector
lenses. Probably one of the best known is a Modern Photography piece
many years ago which compared the optical quality of most of the 35 mm
projector lenses on the market. The Leitz Colorplan was then the clear
winner.



Are there any comparable tests of more recent date, both of 35mm and of
medium format projector lenses?



By the way, one of the crucial elements in the sharpness of projected
images in that test in Modern was the degree to which the slide was held
flat in the projection gate. This was an important feature in the Leitz
Pradovit projectors. To what degree did other manufacturers, especially 
of medium format projectors, pay attention to such factors as slide gate
precision and the quality of projection lenses? Most of the American
equipment seemed aimed squarely at the "...good enough.." level. My
response to that was always, "Good Enough Never Is."



The only pieces of Leitz equipment I own are a Pradovit projector with a
Colorplan lens, and a Linhof "Ideal Format" projector/lens which was
made by Leitz [or at least the lens was, and I think the machine, too,
but I'm not sure of that]. Both were bought in part on the basis of
those tests long ago. They are now rather long in the tooth, to be sure;
but, you know, the quality of projected  slides is still rather
exciting.



les clark

-----------------------------------------------------------

[email protected]   






rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

From: "Theodore W. Kahn" [email protected]

[1] Re: Where to get superslide mounts?

Date: Thu Mar 18 18:49:48 CST 1999


Calumet carries them.  http://www.calumetphoto.com/


Ted Kahn



John Welton wrote:



>  Can someone tell me where I can purchase superslide mounts (4x4cm) or get
> further information. I did a Yahoo search for Gepe but didn't find a web
> page for them.
>
> Thanks,
> John 









rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

From: "Rick Rieger" [email protected]

[1] Re: Where to get superslide mounts?

Date: Thu Mar 18 21:23:47 CST 1999


Wess Plastic, Inc. in Hauppage, NY has them. 800-487-9377.  Product codes
BAA 0X1 and BAA 0X2. 






From: [email protected] (WhitneyRed)

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: Storing 6X7 negatives? 

Date: 3 Feb 1999 


Print File 120-4UB pages are designed to hold 4 strips of 3 frames of 6x7
cm format negs or transparencies.  I've used them for years and they work
nicely. They can be purchased from most major camera shops - I get mine
mail order from NY. 


   Good luck...Bill ([email protected])  






From:  [email protected] (gary gaugler)

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: Mounting slides

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999



>Does anyone have any experience in mounting their own MF slides? The  cost of
>having them done professionally here in Atlanta is a bit too much and there
>are only a couple of labs doing it. I am told it is fairly easy and
>inexpensive. Details please......
>
>Thanks in advance.
>Don/Atlanta





Contact  the folks at The Stock Solution, 800.777.2076.



They sell Bair mounts which are self-adhesive cardboard and work
great.  They are available in most any size.  They also sell archival
sheets for the mounts.



http://www.tssphoto.com/sp



I use a ton of these mounts in various sizes.  Very good.


Gary Gaugler, Ph.D.

    http://photoweb.net

 E-mail: gaugler@calweb dot com






From: "Bob Salomon" [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: Mounting slides

Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 


...


> Does anyone have any experience in mounting their own MF slides? The 
cost of
> having them done professionally here in Atlanta is a bit too much and there
> are only a couple of labs doing it. I am told it is fairly easy and
> inexpensive. Details please......
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Don/Atlanta





What are you going to do with the slides? This will determine what kind of
mounts you need.



For projection the ONLY cure is to use glass mounts if you want the entire
scene sharp, edge to edge, nd to remain sharp for as long as the shot is on
the screen.



If you want to present them on a light box then all black, glassless,
Presentation mounts make the best impression.



Naturally you can get cardboard mounts as well as plastic mounts like Gepe.
Usually cardboard mounts have a smaller opening, shed cardboard dust, do not
have smooth openings when projected, will bend and warp with age and, if
glue is used, may not be archival. That is why most libraries, museums,
universities, etc, archive their slides in Gepe mounts.



--


HP Marketing Corp. U.S. distributor for Amazon, Braun, Gepe, Giottos, GO
Light, Heliopan, HP Combi Plan T, Kaiser fototechnik, KoPho cases, Linhof,
Pro Release, Rimowa, Rodenstock,Sirostar 2000






[Ed. note: Good luck beating this bargain! ;-)]

From: Marv Soloff [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: 6x7 projector

Date: Sun, 16 May 1999


jon Miller wrote:



> Hi, I'm looking for a cheap old, 6x7 projector with decent optics. On one
> web page I saw prices as low as $150.00 for a 6x7 projector. But, I  couldn't
> reach the people by phone. Any Ideas? Web Sites, Phone numbers, addresses,
> etc...
>
> Thanks





Jon:


Found one at a photo show last week - made by Ferrania in Italy about
1960. Folds into a smart metal attache case and projects both 2 x 2
and 6 x 6, 6 x 7 slides (has two lenses) onto a captive screen.
Price?  $10.00. (and its not for sale).


Regards,


Marv







From: tintypemegsinet.com (Peter Mikalajunas)

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: convenience factors between 6x7 / 6x9

Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 


On Sat, 29 May 1999, "Rick Rieger"
[email protected] wrote:



This site offers 6x9 slide mounts, along with many other sizes...
http://www.tssphoto.com/sp/psp.html




>> Will most pro shops mount 6x9 transparencies?<
>No, and outside of Wess Plastics, I don't know of any mounts for slides.
>In any case, there are no projectors for this size, unless you go all the
>way to a 4"x5" projector.  The Wess mounts are presentation mounts, not
>projection mounts.
>
>> Can 6x9 negatives be used in 6x7 enlargers?<
>Bessler 23CII and III, and probably others.
>
>> Is the 6x9 format less desirable for publication? <
>I don't know, but I doubt it.
>
>> Any other experiences with 6x9 vs. 6x7 would also be greatly
>appreciated.
>I have both 6x9 (Fuji rangefinder) and 6x7 (Bronica).  I have no problem
>printing from either of these sizes, as I use a pro lab.  The 6x7's I can
>project in a ProCabin projector.  The 6x7 is a more pleasing format to my
>eyes, but I would never give up the Fuji... light, easy to use and great
>results.
>
>
>Rick R.





Peter Mikalajunas







From: [email protected] (Steve)

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: 6x7 projector

Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 02:36:36 GMT



Have you considered making your own, using an old 2"X3" (or larger)
press camera or view camera? If you need to project one image at a
time, without having to constantly change images, a sturdy projector
can be fashioned by mounting a light behind the camera, which projects
through the transparency, through the lens, and onto the screen.



Just a thought.



Steve








Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999

From: Lisa Horton [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Storing 6x7 Chromes - My Solution


Last week I asked for advice about storing 6x7 chromes.  Not too many
people replied, but thanks very much to those who did.



I tried some pages for 6x6 mounted slides, figuring perhaps the extra
room for the mount would make them large enough for 6x7, but that didn't
work.  I like the slide page idea though, for compactness of storage and
ease of seeing the whole set at a time on a light box.



I found a solution surprisingly close to home.  There are binder pages
designed for game and collectible cards that are very similar to slide
pages.  The best brand (Ultra-Pro) are very heavy plastic, acid and pvc
free archival quality with UV filtering.  Each pocket is slightly larger
than an individual 6x7 frame.  I just leave the chromes in their
individual sleeve and put that into the card binder page.  They fit into
the same archival binder box things I use for my 35mm slides, and life
is good.



Lisa Horton







From: [email protected] (Lesaus)

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: Storing 6x7 Chromes - My Solution

Date: 9 Jun 1999 


Lisa,



I mount my 6x7 transparencies in #67B black mounts, put these in #SS99 clear
sleeves, then put the sleeved/mounted slide in #6037 pages (6-up).  These are
all available from:



The Stock Solution

307 West 200 South, #1003

Salt Lake City,  UT  84101

Ph. 801-363-9700



Any questions, I'd be glad to help.

Ed Saus at [email protected]

Remove "nospam" for response






From: Williams Peter [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: Storing 6x7 Chromes - My Solution

Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 


Have you considered the Archival Negative sleeves from B&H? The ones you
usually see in camera stores are Print File or Clear File, 7 strip 5 frame
pages for 35mm film (basically the sheets everyone uses to store their
35mm black and white negatives if you develop yourself). These sheets are
available in 120 format in a few different configurations - the 120 sheets
I have are 4 strip, 3 frame for 6x6 (which also works perfectly for 645,
and fit easily into standard binders.



The sheets aren't very expensive at all (something like $5 for 25 sheets),
and any decent local dealer should be able to order them for you. If not,
call B&H. I currently have my 645 slides sitting in such sheets. Speaking
of which, I need to order some more...



However, if you cut all your negatives down to individual frames, then
the sports card sheets are probably best.



-PBW






From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 

From: [email protected]

Subject: [Rollei] 6x6cm Cut Neg Storage



I'm curious as to how people store individually cut
6x6 cm negatives.


Paul, Light Impressions sells individual "transview" sleeves which hold 
up to
6x7 format. These will fit into their "slide guard" pages (product#5196).
They also sell 2 diff boxes to hold these oversized pages.



cheers



Frederic







Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 

From: Bob Shell [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] 6x6cm Cut Neg Storage




> I'm curious as to how people store individually cut
> 6x6 cm negatives.
>
> I shoot primarily B&W in my Rollei TLR (Kodak TMY in
> particular).  I've been cutting the developed rolls
> into three strips of 4 frames each, and then putting
> those three strips into a Clear-File plastic protective
> sheets.  When I make a contact print I just do it
> through the plastic sheet.  When I make a print I pull
> the strip of four frames from the sheet and put it into
> the enlarger's neg carrier, with the other frames
> protruding from the sides of the negative carrier.  When
> finished, I return the film strip to the plastic sleeve
> sheet.





Cutting into strips of three frames is more common.  These
strips fit the # 1201 Vue All page and similar pages from
Print File and others.  When I shoot 645 I cut those into
strips of four and they fit the same sheets.  6 X 7 and
6 X 9 are more of a problem since you can't get one roll
into one sheet.



I use an inexpensive glass plate contact printer but
never make contacts through the storage sheets.  You lose
too much and can never tell if a negative really is
sharp.



I like these strips because they are just right for easily
fitting into my enlarger negative carrier (Zone VI for
black and white, Saunders/LPL 4500 for color).




> I now have some negatives that I'd like to have scanned
> for manipulation on my computer (I already do a fair
> amount of this with 35mm).  I've been told that,
> typically, the 6x6 negs need to be cut into individual
> pieces (one frame per cut strip) in order for them to
> fit into a scanner's drawer.  After I cut an individual
> negative from the strip it seems to me that I won't be
> able to put the cut negative back into the 3 strip 4
> frame protective sheets I have been using.





Depends entirely on the scanner.  Some will accept longer
strips than others.




> So, my question for the group is, what methods do people
> find convenient for storing individually cut 6x6 negatives?





If you must cut into single frames, Vue All and Print File
make sheets with pockets sized for individual frames of
6 X 6.  I don't have any handy at tthe moment to give you
the product number from, but I've used them a few times
in the past when sending cut frames of chrome film to
printers.



Bob







Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999

From: Bob Shell [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] OT Needed: Glass Mounting Service Provider for Rollei
Images


I do presentations of MF slides.  I use the Wess mounts, double anti Newton
glass.  I don't see any compromise in sharpness, and they are projected
really BIG.  I tried glassless years ago and the film would always "pop"
out of focus if an image was on the screen too long.



Bob






From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999

From: Roland Schregle [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] Glassless mounts



Dave Wyman wrote:



> I've seen a post or two about mounting pics made from a 'flex. I'd like
> to do that, myself. Does anyone know what sort of mount is needed to use
> with an old Baucsh and Lomb projector? I see, for example, that Gepe
> makes a variety of mounts. Do I need glass, half glass, or will
> glassless do?





I've never tried the glassless variety, but with 6x6 glass mounts
are usually the way to go, otherwise your slides will warp out of
focus.



The glass mounts require a great deal more care during mounting, as any 
grit trapped inside will spoil even the best shots.



Half glass may be a viable alternative, given that glass mounts
aren't cheap... nor are they particularly light.



Another issue is the anti-newton coating, which tends to reduce
sharpness. I've settled for single newton glass mounts as a
compromise.



--

Roland Schregle

Fraunhofer Institute for Solar Energy Systems





From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999

From: Bob Shell [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] Glassless mounts


The old Bausch and Lomb projector I used to have had a bad habit of
frying slides.  Uses a very hot bulb and not the best of ventilation.
I'd use double glass and make sure not to project any one for a
prolonged length of time.



Bob



> I've seen a post or two about mounting pics made from a 'flex. I'd like
> to do that, myself. Does anyone know what sort of mount is needed to use
> with an old Baucsh and Lomb projector? I see, for example, that Gepe
> makes a variety of mounts. Do I need glass, half glass, or will
> glassless do? 








[Ed. note: for price point, and source (Rollei Mailing list friday 
sales):]

[my guess is this is probably sold by the time you read this, but I am 
including it as an example of a modest cost dual use project for med 
fmt...]


 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999

From: wvl [email protected]

Subject: [Rollei] 6X6 Projector FS


I hope this qualifies as Friday:  Reading all the discussions about 6X6
projectors reminded me that I have one I haven't used in two years.It
takes 35mm and 6X6 slides. The automatic feature for 35mm is unreliable
but it works fine in manual mode for both sizes. Included are a few 35mm
trays. It is Tower (Sears) and I believe made by Argus. It is amazing to
see 6X6 chromes on the wall! I'll take $100 for it, the [pice I paid at
the swapmeet.. We might have to share shipping because it is heavy.
Reasonable return privlidges, of course.



Bill Lawlor 





From the Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 

From: Marc James Small [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] chromes & projectors



imagineero . wrote:



>Just out of curiosity, how many guys out there are shooting slides?  And of
>those, what percentage are projecting them?





I do more of my colour work in chromes than in print.  I use a Kiev 66
enlarger, for which I paid around $200 though, if you can visit Russia or
the Ukraine, you can get the new model for substantially less than this.
The Kiev 66 is a heavy tank which is dual format:  it is optically quite
satisfactory but mechancially more than a bit crude.  You will need to have
a HEAVY-DUTY transformer to use it on American lines.



Marc


[email protected] 






From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999

From: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] P11 projector, noise and vibration



Noise of the P11 projector :



> ... if you can live with the racket it makes....





I had a very similar problem wih my old SFOM. I found that the source
of the noise came from a protective grid underneath ; it was vibrating
because the big fan is always slightly un-balanced. I solved the
problem by pushing a small piece of neoprene "hard" foam against the
center of the grid and it killed the vibration as well as the noise
without disturbing the air flow.



--

Emmanuel BIGLER






From Leica User Group Mailing List:

Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 

From: John Collier [email protected]

Subject: [Leica] Projector Lens Update: Which, What, Where, Who and Why



This is excerpted from the "LeicaDealerFocus" 1997:



    There has been much confusion in the market place as to what lenses will
fit which projectors. We recently asked Werner Schmalz of Kindermann
(Canada) Inc. to address this issue. He explained, "the older "P" lenses
will not form an image except very close on P150/300/600/155/255, and "P2"
lenses will not work on the "older" machines. It has to do with the back
focus configuration - the distance from the nodal of the lens to the film
(slide) plane within the illumination system of the projector."


    "When Leica bought the Braunschweig 'ZETT' factory in 1990," Schmalz
continues, "they had to design each of their existing lenses with a
different back focus configuration for the 'new generation' projectors. In
order to differentiate between lenses for the 'old' and 'new' generation
machines, the designations 'P' and 'P2" were introduced."


    So what goes where? 'P' lenses will fit: P2002, P2000, Pradovit Color 2,
CA2502, CA2500, CA1500, 153, 152, 150, RC, TA, Color 150 & AF, 250 & AF, F,
N12, N24, Pradolux and Prado Universal. Schmalz says, 'They also fit and
work with Kindermann, Reflecta and Braun projectors.'


    'P2' lenses fit: P150, P300, P600, P155 and P255.


    Schmalz adds that, due to space restraint in the P150, the lamp housing
has a smaller configuration than any other Leica projector. Therefore the
P150 can be fitted only with 85mm Hektor P2 and the 90mm Colorpan P2 lenses


____________________________________



Since this article was written the 60mm f2.8 Elmarit-P2 lens was released
and can be used on the P150 as well. Leica also list an adapter to use the
P/P2 lenses in the new RT projectors(part number 037-366). They make an
adapter to mount P lenses into Kodak projectors but I do not have that part
number. Also the Zeiss Ikon, ZETT and Leica Braunschweig machines are the
same and use the P2 lenses as described above. Now does this answer any
questions or make it all worse?!   



John Collier








From Leica User Group

Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 

From: Marc James Small [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Leica] Projector Lens Update: Which, What, Where, Who and Why



At 02:51 PM 1/11/2000 -0700, John Collier wrote:



>    "When Leica bought the Braunschweig 'ZETT' factory in 1990," Schmalz
>continues,





This Braunschweig plant began as the Voigtlander slide-projector plant,
passed into the hands of Zeiss-Ikon-Voigtlander when they were merged, was
retained by Zeiss Ikon when it was taken out of camera production and
divested of Voigtlander.  A consortium then purchased the branded 
remnants of Zeiss Ikon, and, when Zeiss refused to surrender the "Zeiss Ikon"
trademark, adopted the old Voigtlander brand of "Zett".  Leica bought Zett
out early in this decade.



Thus, Leica now ones the remnants of Zeiss Ikon, a poignant but rather
amusing bit of photographic trivia.



Marc



[email protected]






From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999

From: Dave Wyman [email protected]

Subject: [Rollei] Re: 'chromes and projectors



I use a Bausch and Lomb Balomatic 755, which my parents purchased in the
mid-1960s. This is a very sturdy Machine Age product. It's also an
MF/35mm machine. It takes special inserts for 35mm slides, which are
placed in the same tray with MF slides. I don't know where these inserts
for 35mm can be found. Of course, they suffer in comparison with MF
images.



Watch for Balomatics on ebay, attend photo shows, look for them at
garage sales. Currently, no 755 models are listed on ebay, but I've seen
them. Also check the Recycler, on-line or in print, and maybe Shutterbug
lists them. Of course people have already mentioned the P 11 from Rollei.



I'd love to find another Balomatic and figure out how to use a dissolve
unit with them. But then I'd need to buy a van to haul around the extra  
gear. Maybe in my next life, or after I hit the proverbial lottery...



Last night I projected MF slides, including some SCALA black and white
transparencies I made with my Rolleicord IV. I haven't used SCALA
before. Wow!


Dave Wyman 

http://www.davewyman.com

http://home.attbi.com/~wymanburke/Rollei_Links.html
 






Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000

From: Willem-Jan Markerink [email protected]

To: [email protected]

Subject: Leitz 4x5" projectors?



Dear group, in particular the old farts among us, and those with a
Teutonic-gear affection:



Does any of you have experience with, or knowledge of a Leitz 4x5"
projector? I stumbled upon such a dinosaur, with 500mm
lens....apparently used for commercial breaks in cinema's....yet all
I hear when digging for info is that these things are supposed to be
6x7, not 4x5"?



Anyone able to tell me a bit more about these things, and perhaps
such cinematographic projectors in general? Perhaps even an average
price on the used market?


                         
----

Bye,



Willem-Jan Markerink


[email protected]

[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!] 






From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999

From: Bob Shell [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] P11 projector



This is good advice with any projector lamp.  On projectors with
separate switching for the lamp and cooling fan I always leave
the cooling fan on for ten or fifteen minutes after shutting off
the lamp as an extra bit of insurance that it will cool down.



Bob




>From: Roland Schregle 
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [Rollei] P11 projector
>Date: Wed, Dec 8, 1999, 12:48 PM
>

> "Michael W. Hilgert" wrote:
>
>> It is possible to use 300 W and 500 W (with additional heat filter)
>> bulbs. The 300 W -version "lives" much longer.
>
> One hint I got was to *never* carry the thing around immediately
> after you've turned it off, as this can bust the lamp. Let it cool
> down first...
>
> --
> Roland Schregle
> Fraunhofer Institute for Solar Energy Systems









From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999

From: Bob Shell [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] chromes & projectors



Right on!!!  I have a presentation I give occasionally which is a mix of
645, 6 X 6, and 6 X 7 (and a few cropped shots originally made as 6 X 8)
using two Gottschmann projectors.  Most people who attend have never seen
anything bigger than 35mm projected and they are just blown away by the
quality.  The screen used is about 20 X 20 feet.



Several years ago at one of the NANPA conferences I saw a presentation
by a Canadian photographer (whose name has slipped my mind, unfortunately)
which was shot entirely in 6 X 7 and presented with three Gottschmann
projectors synched to a music tape.  It just left everyone breathless by
the end.



But you must remember that a poor image will still be a poor image, even
if shot in MF and projected to giant size.  Good images look great when
projected this way, but mistakes jump out of the screen and bite you!!



Bob






From Rollei Mailing List;

Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999

From: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] chromes & projectors




[email protected]
writes:




> There was an even cheaper one available sporadically from the Kiev people,
>  but I don't know if it was ever offered for US voltage and I don't think
>  they are available at all any more.





   Kiev USA has a FED stereo projector for $275. Maybe they can still get
the 120 projectors. 


http://www.kievusa.com/kievpricelist.html



R. J. Bender (A Nikon, Mamiya and Rollei user)






[Ed. note: more on the kiev $275 projector...]

From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999

From: Andre Calciu [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] chromes & projectors



i have one of the 6x6 projectors sitting in my basement. it is big, heavy
(about 25 pounds), made of steel and has a regular computer power supply.
this means it will work in pretty much any country on the planet. just
flip a switch from 120 to 220. it came with 2 multicoated lenses, a normal
and a tele (80mm and 150mm). pretty good stuff. i paid 150 for it. my
kiev-bound friend brought it on his second trip, along with a 6x6/35mm
projector which i sold. both were looking pretty good projected on a big
white wall. i bet on a screen they would be killers. 


andre






From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999

From: [email protected]

Subject: [Rollei] P11 projector again



There has been a lot of talk of the P11 projector. I live in a sort of
love/hate relationship with one of these. I have problems with its
mechanical adjustments, Some help can be found in Prochnow's book, but if
anybody had some good advice on maintnance, i.e. lubrication, cleaning and
adjustments it would be welcome. I have one tip to give also: My projector
is equipped with the Heidosmat 1:2.8/150 lens. This is not the best
projection lens in the world. I like to see my 6c6 slides really crisp, so
I opened the lens, inserted a cardboard diaphragm stopping the lens down
to 1:3,5, and voila: everything looked better.



John M.E. Dancke

P.O.Box 98

N-4371 EGERSUND - Norway

[email protected]






From Rollei Mailing List;

Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999

From: Lucian Chis [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] chromes & projectors



Well,



The nut is probably broken; the left side (looking towards screen from the
projector is the original looking one.



The usual problem wiht these is that they get bumped or too much weight is
put on the projector and those nuts break (the threads strip (I think it
is a 4 threads thread)). This looks as the outer part of the nut is chewed
down; it may be replaced with something else, but it would be very
unlikely (very hard to get the thread). The foot though looks original.
They are not available separately AFAIK but with the whole feet and spendy
IF you can get them. 


If you are picking on it for the price, you have the right to do so, as it
comes with the normal lens, but I have seen these advertised with the
Vario as high as $1200. Then again a friend bought one for $50 at the
thrift store! 


Lucian






From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999

From: "John A. Lind" [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] P11 projector again



John M.E. Dancke wrote:



>adjustments it would be welcome. I have one tip to give also: My projector
>is equipped with the Heidosmat 1:2.8/150 lens. This is not the best
>projection lens in the world. I like to see my 6c6 slides really crisp,so





You wrote an *interesting* solution.  I also have the 150/2.8 Heidosmat
and it is a little softer than the Schneider on my Ektagraphic, but still
much better than Kodak's lenses and many other projectors I've seen from
the P11 era.  Looked at the current Schneider's for the Rollei's and
choked from "sticker shock."  Too salty for me!  Is there anything else
around that doesn't approach the cost of a MF camera body?  Does anything
fit the P11 besides the original Rollei lenses and the Schneider's?



I discovered something quite by accident last night.  The right side (35mm
side) tray guide is not only removable, it will also slide *forward* and
extend over the front edge!  Not having a complete instruction book and
having had to figure out a few things on my own, I didn't know about this.
My guess is that this is to support the long 50-slide trays?  I put in one
of my long Gepe trays and it went through much more smoothly than before.



Someone also asked how to back a tray out and I don't remember seeing a
reply to the question.  The following is intended for one that is *NOT*
jammed: 


  1.  Extend the slide loading arms as if you are loading a tray
     (2nd button from the left).



  2.  Push in the tab on the right front and hold it in.



  3.  Pull the tray back out towards the rear of the projector.



      You shouldn't have to force anything. If a 6x6 tray is jammed with
the front of the tray pressing against the end of the arm (as in
forgetting to extend the arms before loading a tray), this may or may not
work to back it out depending on how badly the tray is jammed.  I had to
disassemble the projector and remove the 6x6 tray guide once to exctract a
wedged in 6x6 tray.  On the 35mm side it is much simpler to remove the
slide the tray guide off and extract the tray. 


If you push on the tab without a tray in the projector you can see how it
reverses the height of the two ratchet teeth on the tray advance.



-- John







From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999

From: Lucian Chis [email protected]

Subject: [Rollei] Variations on Rolleiflex as a projector & al.


On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, G. Lehrer wrote:



> Yes Manny, they did make that wretched device. a friend of mine relly
> "cooked" his viewing lens of his early F model with this
> projector/adapter. Bulb heat was too  much for the camera. If you want
> a 6x6 projector, get a PII with the Vario lens. Forget the Hassey unless
> you want to spend over a thou for it. Or get a Cabin projector which is
> a flimsy piece of junk.
>
> Jerry





Well, I really don't know how he could do this "burning"! Unless he tried
to use it in Death Valley! The thing uses a 50W lamp (I have one on eBay
right now as I used it once). Then again he could have had the heat filter
removed or broken inside!



I like to project on large screens and the light output from this device
doesn't do justice to a slide for more than 4' (1.2m) screen and even then
it is marginal.



On the Cabin idea, if you shoot a Rollei you don't need it as it is a 6X7
device. Optically, a Leitz Prado Universal with 6X6 nose and condensers
will beat your P-11 and it has better cooling (two channel) and higher
light output (250W halogen 24V lamp the same as the current Dual P
($1500+ lens), Hassy PCP80 ($3000 + lens)and a host of other gems) or the
Prado 66 which gets about the same output as the P-11 (up to 500W)
and you have some good lenses to choose from (150/2.5 Hektor,
150/2.8ELmaron, 150/2.8Dimar, 200/2.5Hektor, 200/4, 175/2.5, 250/2.5 and
so on) all of which will give your Heidosmats nausea!



The trouble is that the Universal goes for $700 (Don Chatterton has one
for sale that I sold him a year ago with the 35mm optics as well).
The Prado 66 can be had on eBay for under $300 (or Prado 500 with 6X6
optics, same thing)



If you have a P11 already you may want to invest in some Leitz optics
instead of the 150/2.8 and have an adaptor made (I have one for mine made
by a friend from aluminum).



There is a catch. If you have the adaptor made too long , you will have
the lens float around as it will push down on the focusing finger whcih is
spring loaded. You just have to cut it down IF that happens. Mine was made
originally for the 90/2.5 Colorplan and it had more heft to it due to the
huge length of the Rollei lens which swings forward for 35mm, so I had to
cut it shorter; then decided I will not use P-11 for 35mm when I have so
many Leitz projectors and went for the bigger lens (150/2.8 Elmaron is
what I have currently in that adaptor and it goes on P66S as well
(barely, as the mount is a little shorter and the rollers are positioned
in different places).



The Leitz lenses are all sharper than both the plain Heidosmat 150/2.8 and
the Vario (not by much)) and they are a toss-up with the current Heidosmat
150/3.5 but a stop brighter (Especially the Hektors, a baker's stop :-)).
I actually have too many of these as I gobbled up on them, so if anyone
wants to try I will loan one to you (or sell).



And of course the Goetschmann 8585AV will give you the best image at $7000
list! (:-) with those precious 6X7 that you shot with your Mamiya 7. It
fortunately uses Schneider lenses. (additional?)



Cheers,



Lucian






From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999

From: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] chromes & projectors



[email protected] writes:



> I wonder how do you know that projector is in excellent condition?
>  It was missing the 35mm rail for one; it was modified with the additional
>  fan and had a couple of extra switches. I wonder if that is hiding some
>  other problems;





   You're talking about this item, right?


http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=214888228


   This does not look like a factory modification:



http://home.att.net/~john.tech/roll6.jpg

http://home.att.net/~john.tech/roll4.jpg



   Could it be the Frankenstein and Heidecke version of the P 11?




>  I had one like that which needed the 6X6 arm because the push out
>  mechanism was cracked. Thank God for Ulrich! And thank God I am handy:
>  local camera shops want at least $100 just to CLA one of those! I didn't
>  ask about changing some parts!





   There's a rubber roller that dries up to the point that the slide
feeding arms are unable to pull slides into the projector. The tension can
be increased with a minor adjustment of a few screws inside, however the
gripping action of the rubber is lost due to age. I've found that "Rubber
Cleaner Revitalizer"  by PRB fixes this problem for several months but
it's not a permanent solution. 


R. J. Bender (A Nikon, Mamiya and Rollei user)






From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999

From: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] chromes & projectors



"imagineero ." wrote:



> Just out of curiosity, how many guys out there are shooting slides?  And of
> those, what percentage are projecting them?
>snip





In the last couple of years i've somehow managed to shoot over a dozen
rolls of Fuji & Kodak slides, but until the November swapmeet in
Portland, didn't have any projection method. Strips of 3 frames in Print
File preservers placed on a light table was it, and not bad at that. At
the swapmeet i ran into an old Golde Mod# 349 6x6 with a cracked-in-two
condenser lens that i got for $30. It sort of matches my (much older)
Golde (mod#300P) 35 projector, that i bot in 1952, used. I checked it
out with the cracked condenser, and couldn't see much, if any,
degradation. But as i was leaving the swapmeet, i stopped by my friend's
table (Lucian) to say goodby, and he pointed out this Prinz 6x6 with
modern halogen bulb, and no cracked glass. We dickered for awhile, as i
really didn't want a feared discussion from my wife later about why did
i need two projectors suddenly. I walked out of there with an $80 Prinz
in addition to the Golde.



 Last year i picked up a Leitz Prado 35mm
projector at an estate sale for $15. It had a 150 Hektor 2.5 in it. I
was telling Lucian about it later in the year, and he told me he had a
junker Prado with an 85mm Hektor in it that i could have for $30, which
i took him up on. But the convenience of my Zeiss Ikon and Kodak
Carousel projectors, with no really stunning difference in image quality
among the 3 led me to put the Prado in the "eventually take to a
swapmeet" corner. Then earlier this week Lucian indicated in a response
to the "burning Rollei lens" thread, that the Leitz 150 2.5 is pretty
good. So i went and stuck mine in front of the Prinz (without it's lens)
to see if it would work. Wow! So now i'm going to have to make some kind
of adapter to hold the Hektor onto the Prinz. Darn, another project to
take me away from household duties. Oh, and i took one of the condensers
out of my Golde 300P and put it in the 349. Perfect fit.



6x6 slide mounts are expensive, and chop off a significant amount of
image. I may not go head over heels on this projection thing. Print
files on a light table sure make jumping from image to image quick and
easy. Random access addressing, versus serial, you know.



And in response to the cold weather coming query: i have hood, cap, and
case for my 3.5F. I lived in Osan, S Korea in '70, '71.



To all:  Best wishes for the Holiday Season!


paul







From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999

From: Larry Cuffe [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] chromes & projectors



I use my great uncle's magic lantern, converted for the job with a home
made slide carier and a light source made from parts salvaged from an
electronic one armed bandit and a 400w halogen bulb from some theatrical
spot light. It gets the job done. However I have noted that kalimex in
prauge have a medium format projector for about 250 dollars or so. I think
they are honest but slow - but this is not a universal opinion. 


Your other option would be ebay where I've seen rollei medium
format projectors go for as litlle as 110 dollars but you may
have to wait as they dont come up often. 



Larry Cuffe

([email protected]) 





From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999

From: "Michael W. Hilgert" [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] chromes & projectors



I think the best thing one can do is shooting slides in mediumformat
(Velvias seem to burn holes into the sceen). There is nothing better
than a projected mediumformat slide (except a large format slide).
I use the Rollei P11. It is a design of the sixties, but of great
optical and mechanical quality. It is capable of handling 35 mm and
MF-slides in standard trays. It comes with a cable remote. Here in
Germany the price varies between 500 and 1400 DEM, depending on the lens
(mostly Heidosmat 2,8/150, there is also a zoom lens available). The
newer lenses of Rollei also fit the P11. 



bye,



Michael






From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999

From: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] chromes & projectors




> ...What are people using?





I do slides with my Rolleiflex T. I tried Agfachrome but finally
prefer Kodak Ektachrome. The only trouble now is that I have no
affordable commercial source for printing the best ones. I think I'll
have to do some Ilfochrome myself at home.




> Are there any projectors that do both 120 and 35mm, possibly with
> dual focal length lense?





I have an old French SFOM "Malmaison" slide projector with a 500 W old
style bulb, "high voltage" (220V). Manual, all metal body, rock-solid,
with this kind of silver-grey ultra-resistant oven-cooked paint well
in favor in the '60s. The lens is a 150 mm f/3.5 triplet, metal mount.
I bought all the stuff second hand here for ~$120. The most affordable
6x6 projector I found on catalogs as new is the Kindermann "diafocus
66T" w. 3,0/150mm lens, sold for ~$620 in Germany.



I can project 35 mm slides with my old SFOM, there are trays for 6x6
and 35 mm as well and one-by-one viewing systems for both formats. For
projecting 35 mm slides I bought a 5-element high quality lens (f/2.5
- 90 mm) which fits on the projector with a reduction ring. In fact I
found acceptable to project 6x6 slides with this lens supposed to
cover 35 mm only !!



The only trouble with dual format is that you loose some light when
projecting a 24x36 mm : the illuminated field is in fact 6x6 (size of
the condenser lens.)



But to tell the truth, the real hard thing with 6x6 slides is that you
have to mount them, preferably under glass, to get all the sharpness.
This finally yields a unit price of about $1.5 each mounted slide ($4
film /12 exp, + $4 process/12 + $.8 / 1 frame), not taking into
account the time to carefully mount each one without leaving dust
inside.



I project 6x6 slides with the one-by one system because I hardly have
time to mount more than ~20 slides at a time. But projecting such
slides to most people who have no other reference of image quality
than the 625 lines on the TV or a computer screen is an experience. So
it does not matter how slow the process is to change slides one by one
and to accurately focus manually : would anybody ask for an automated
machine to speed-up the process of tasting some Foie-Gras with a glass
of Chateau-Yquem wine ?



--

Emmanuel BIGLER  

[email protected]







From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999

From: Bob Shell [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] chromes & projectors



If you looked in the refrigerator in my studio you would see a couple
hundred rolls of film.  You would not see a single roll of color negative
film, and only a handful of rolls of black and white.  I shoot primarily
for publication, and they still want slides (transparencies, chromes).



The only time I project any of my transparencies is when I give a
presentation at a photo conference.  The rest of the time they go on a
good light box for evaluation.  The only ones ever mounted are those used
in presentations.  Projection, particularly frequent projection, fades
slides.  Most of the photos I get in from pro photographers for the
magazine have on the accompanying delivery memo that they are under no
circumstances to be projected.



The least expensive medium format projector that I know of is made by
Malinverno in Italy.  They do not have a USA distributor at present, but
have been sold here in the past.  They use the straight slide trays like
the Rollei projectors use.  The projected image looked pretty good when
I borrowed one to try out a while back.



There was an even cheaper one available sporadically from the Kiev people,
but I don't know if it was ever offered for US voltage and I don't think
they are available at all any more.



You can project 35mm slides in many medium format projectors with
adapters, but you just get a smaller image. 


Bob 


.....





From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999

From: "John A. Lind" [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] chromes & projectors



At 15:13 12/8/99 , you wrote:



>Just out of curiosity, how many guys out there are shooting slides?  And of
>those, what percentage are projecting them?  I have been on the hunt for a
>cheapish (read under $500) MF projector for over a year now and never really
>come across anything.  What are people using?  Are there any options for
>those of us with not so much cash?  I don;t really want to spend more on a
>projector than I did on my camera.  Are there any projectors that do both
>120 and 35mm, possibly with dual focal length lense?





1.  I use a Rollei P11 Dual Format like a number of others do.  Watch the
pricing though . . . as they can go for over $400 U.S. easily . . .
depending on demand at the time one comes up for sale.  They are not all
that rare, but owners are not likely to part with one that is in excellent  
condition.  Be patient if looking for one.  It is likely the *best* of the
"dual" projectors from its era (mid-60's).



2.  There are some others, including something from Kiev and I believe a
2-1/4 only Kindermann that are not as steeply priced as current
projectors.


 You have to look for them as they are not carried by the camera houses as
much as the Rollei's and some others.



3.  See the following site for considerable information about MF
projectors
and projection:


  http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/bronslideproj.html



4.  Once you've seen a MF slide projected on a good screen using a good
projector, 35mm seems to pale by comparison.



-- John   







From Rollei Mailing List;

Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999

From: Lucian Chis [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] chromes & projectors



I shoot 80% chromes in 35mm and 95% chromes in medium format (I include
here Agfa Scala).



I have 5 projectors that would do 6X6 at this time and you can get them
from under $100 to over $2000. Sorry, make that 6!



What are you interested in? Rollei makes projectors right now that take
35mm and 6X6; the quality of the lenses is what separates them and you
will pay more for automatic advance than manual (push pull) and you pay
less for slide bar (well sort of: Leitz Prado Universal will cost you more
than, say Kindermann basic or Malinverno or its german branded
counterpart;



You are really missing a lot by not having one of these babies: just think
how will your 6X6 slides look on a 6'X6' screen (or 8' for that matter!). 
It will blow any 35mm out of the competition;



You may know that a while back most of these slide competitions banned the
superslides because they were stealing the show all the time; imagine the
6X6 (or 6X7 or 6X9 for that matter!).



A good resource is Robert Monaghan (of this list!) web page at
www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/mf/ where you will find a pointer to projector info.
If you want I will let you know privately what prices I have on (some)
projectors.



Cheers,



Lucian 


.....





From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 

From: "John A. Lind" [email protected]

Subject: Re: SCALA 200X, was Re: [Rollei] 'chromes and projectors



Lucian wrote:



>DO NOT TAKE the medium format cardboard mounts; you will be sorry!
>(Some places do mount these in cardboard for an additional  buck or two
>per roll of 120  or 220).





Question: Why not?
Answer: Cardboard mount MF slides are guaranteed to eventually jam up in
nearly every MF projector ever made that has a slide changer.  3mm thick
plastic mounts, with or without AN glass, will not jam up unless something
is seriously wrong with the projector.



Glass versus glassesless is open to debate; there are pros and cons to
both.



Thanks Lucian . . . I didn't realize some labs were still mounting MF
slides in cardboard mounts .  All the labs I've used or inquired
with only use 3mm plastic mounts (on request for a fee).  But . . . it is
simple enough to ask what they use for mounts up front.



BTW, I mount my own in 3mm Gepe AN glass or Wess glassless mounts.  Other
swear by the HAMA mounts.  It's not that hard to do it yourself.  A
miniature "guillotine style" paper cutter (cut the frames apart inside the
sleeve), some lint-free gloves, and a little patience.  Some use tweezers
padded with lint-free material too.



-- John 






From Hasselblad Mailing List:

Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000

From: Robert Monaghan [email protected]

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: used MF projector



see http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/bronslideproj.html for info on models;


see http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/mf/albro.html for links to used gear
dealers



these come up now and again on ebay; I picked up a dual 6x6cm and 35mm
model in a foldup carrying case for under $50 on EBAY, where a few models
or so seem to clear every month...



regards - bobm



PS - was this the post about class use? a simple cheaper alternative
would be to use the school's overhead projector, with a cutout for 6x6cm
in a cardboard square, and just project it, adjusting lens height down (a
diopter lens might be handy if the focusing bar is out of position?) -
some 4x5 and 8x10 users do something similar to project their "slides" ;-)
see http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/mf/diopter.html on closeup lenses...



PPS there is also a cheapy $50 or so "projector" using a few D cells and
mirror/lens that also takes cut film, as well as projecting paper diagrams
etc for art classes. They may have one of these around too, or its big
brother, which would work with 6x6 - I think they go up to about 6x9 or so
film?? Again, I know folks who have modified them with a regular slide
projector coming into the thing as a seriously bright light source to make
a cheapy 6x9cm projector of sorts. I have got one in the garage, again
about $25 or so on EBAY. Since 6x9cm projectors are _really_ scarce, this
can be handy ;-) They are used for drawing classes, sort of a reverse
camera obscura projector for opaque art prints etc. to sketch on the
wall...






From Hasselblad Mailing List:

Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999

From: [email protected]

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: how to cut frames



John, Hasselblad made a cutter (two versions, actually) which were
designed for 6 X 6. One looked like a set of scissors with an attached
side platform to set the strip of film against the guide and cut. The
other was a smaller platform with a guillotine type blade. I've also seen
plastic or metal templates sized to the 6 X 6 dimensions and simply use a
hobby cutter to cut the film frames according to the template. 


I think this latter method (the template) best suits your application
though. 


The other Hasselblad cutters are designed for cutting unexposed film to be
placed in the cut film back that fits the Hasselblad cameras. 


If you're interested, I have the metal template which I bought on-line
some time back and would consider selling. 


Bob R.







Date: 18 Jun 1999

From: [email protected] (Thor Lancelot Simon)

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format

Subject: Re: Projector


RO Poirot [email protected] wrote:



>Does anyone know of a projector that will take 4x5 transparencies?  Thanks.





Use an overhead projector, or for better results with a bit more work,
turn an enlarger head sideways (best use an 8x10 for adequate brightness)
or tape the transparency to a camera back (or for the delicate, tape an
enlarging carrier with the transparency in it to the camera back) and
jury-rig a bellows to some kind of bright light like a Tota.  Looks a
little funny and gets pretty hot, but projects 4x5 or 8x10 beautifully.



--

Thor Lancelot Simon              






Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999

From: "Dirk J. Bakker" [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format

Subject: Re: Projector


Try the Noblux:


http://www.cameras-scanners-flaar.org/html/Noble_4x5_slide_projector.html



Dirk



RO Poirot wrote:



> Does anyone know of a projector that will take 4x5 transparencies?  Thanks.
>
> Roland.









Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998

From: [email protected] (Peter Mikalajunas)

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.technique.misc

Subject: Re: Why process slides w/o mount.


"Danger" [email protected] wrote:



>The subject says it all, why does labs offer to process your slides without
>mount. Can an individual really want to take the trouble to do it himself
>for a cheaper price or what??





I do it all the time.



First, I want to see the slides in the exact order I exposed them.  I
often bracket and want to know exactly which exposure is right on. 


Second, it is easier for me to scan the slide, sans the mount.  I do this
with both 35mm and 120 slides. 


Third, I find it a lot faster to view a strip on the light board than a
hand-full of slides.



Unmounted, the slides come back in a protective sleeve.  Only if I intend
to catalogue the slide, do I bother to mount it.








Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 

From: [email protected] (Rudy Garcia)

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.technique.misc

Subject: Re: Why process slides w/o mount.


......



Many years ago I had part of a roll ruined becaue I forgot to tell the lab
NOT to mount the slides.



I had changed film in mid-roll and when I remounted the roll (I normally
advance it to the last exposure taken plus one more frame), all of the
subsequent exposures got cut by the machine.  It seems some of the lab
equipment in use is set up to recognize the first frame edge and then
starts cutting the film into the proper size automatically. Since it is
impossible to reposition the roll exactly at the same point after a
mid-roll change, the machine ruined the remaining slides on the film.







Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.technique.misc

Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998

From: Steve Perry [email protected]

Subject: Re: Why process slides w/o mount.


Hi,



Some perhaps obvious questions for a new-comer to slide photograhpy.



1.  Are frame numbers not given when slides are mounted?  If so, how do
you tell what frame it is that you are printing when you have bracketed
shots.



2.  Are mounts easily removable and/or replaceable if you need to do
either?



3.  Do slide mounts partially crop the edges of the frames?


Thanks

Steve "Too much info is never enough" Perry






Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999

From: "Derek Thomsen" [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: Medium Format Slide Projector


Goetschmann is distributed by Mamiya America in the U.S.



Try http://www.mamiya.com/Section2/Projectors/proj.html for English.
Goetschmann slide projectors accept 5x5cm,



>7x7cm and 8.5x8.5cm frames. Hence, they are appropriate for for all
>three formats, 6x4.5, 6x6, and 6x7. More info can be found on their web
>page: http://www.goetschmann.de (unfortunately only in German).
>
>Joachim









From: [email protected] (RBalb456)

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: Storing 6x7 Chromes - My Solution

Date: 11 Jun 1999


I have been shooting 6x7 for sabout 15 years now and the only way to store
them for protection during handling by others is as follows. There is a
company on the west coast called picture pocket, they will manufacture you
individual heavy clear plastic sleeves cut exactly to 6x7 cm. I cut the
individual slides from the roll that the lab sleeves them in then remove
the slide from the lab sleeve and resleeve it into the custom sleeves and
trim off any exceess film that overhangs the sleeve. Then I insert these
into Print file slide pages made specifically for 6x7 slides. the pages
hold nine images. then when i need to submit these to someone for review I
have then in file pages but they can be removed individually and you don't
need to worry about fingerprints. I use light impressions file hanging
bars to store them in my file drawers 





From Rollei Mailing List;

Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000

From: Jon Hart [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] Stopping down a Projection Lens



Bill,



     I am not familiar with the P11, however I have
some experience with projectors in general. From what
you state, it appears that you have two problems
wrapped up in one. If the slide is over-heated
somewhat it will definitely "pop" or bow in the
middle, either in to the projector condensors or away
from them. Is there currently a thick, odd-colored
glass right behind the slide gate in the light path?



Perhaps the original heat-absorber is missing? When
you said that you could focus either the edges or the
center, but, not both, it immediately reminded me of
my first experience with a used projector. I had a
hell of a time figuring it out, but got a clue one day
in an article in the old Peterson's Photographic
discussing the various parts of projectors and how
they worked. Another related point: you didn't say,
but, is the fan motor working? Is the air being
directed over the lamp area? Sometimes the  air path
can be re-directed by something in the pat(I had a
piece of paper that got sucked up in the fan do that
to me, once). If you need a replacement or if there is
room for an extra heat-absorber I believe Edmund
Scientific still sells it in various sizes. I know of
no other sources presently, perhaps some one else on
the list does??



     As for putting a stop in the light path, I don't
feel this will solve your problem, at least not
totally. However, you can try to find a Pictrol device
to fit the front of the lens, although it probably
won't fit since they were made for enlarging lenses.
Ideas anyone? Have you checked the lens for other
problems, such as separation or possibly physical
damage to the barrel? I know that most projector
lenses suffer from pin-cushion or barrel distortion to
some extent (nature of the beast, so to speak), but
yours sounds rather extreme. Unless the distortion is
from slide "pop". That would exacerbate the distortion
from the lens.



Jon

from Deepinaharta, Georgia



 William Robinson [email protected]
wrote:



> I am rehabing a Rollei PII projector, and have a few
> questions:
> 1- Is there a way to put a wall of heat absorbing
> glass anywhere to keep the slides a bit cooler? Do
> the new projectors get things this hot too?
> 2- Can someone instruct me how to put a Waterhouse
> stop in the projection lens to get rid of the curved
> field problem? It's a Heidosmat 1:2.8/150 and
> projects a sharp center or sharp edges, depending on
> my focus. Exactly where in the lens assembly does
> the stop go and what diameter should the opening be?
> I know if I kept futzing with it myself I could
> figure it out, but it would be a timesaver if
> someone had already done this before.
> 3- If I did spring for a modern projection lens,
> would it fit the PII?
> For the number collectors, it's a Rollei Honeywell,
> marked "DBP 114532 DBGM," with a "Heidosmat
> 1:2.8/150 23851."
> Thanks all,
>
> William F. Robinson








From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 

From: "John A. Lind" [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] Stopping down a Projection Lens



Bill,



The P11 has _two_ heat absorbing glass plates between the convex condenser
lenses.  If you are using the higher wattage bulb (500W DAK) you need
_both_ plates.  They are in frames and slide into notches inside the
projector just forward of a bar that runs across the inside and the
forward
convex condenser lens (both condenser lenses are also on frames also).
Can't help you about the Waterhouse diaphragm to stop the lens down.



Be certain to adjust the bulb!!  These projectors have been known to
meltdown the bulb from heat . . . particularly if the bulb is not
adjusted.



 The side of the bulb will start to bulge.  If the bulge of heated glass
contacts the rear condenser it will shatter it.  As a matter of course I
check the bulb for signs of beginning to bulge every time I use the
projector . . . partly because I had one that did start to meltdown.



-- John






From Rollei Mailing List;

Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000

From: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] Stopping down a Projection Lens


I have only used mine with the 300 Watt lamp, and hav had no problems with
overheating the slides, indeed, I have used it with glasless 6x6 and 35mm
slides with practically no popping at all.



I have reduced the effective opening of my Heidosmat 1:2.8 150 mm by
inserting a cardboard diaphragm i the middle of the lens, between the
front and the the rear element, not because of field curvature, my
projected slides seems to of equal sharpnes all over, but because of som
"flare" effect causing sligtly reduced sharpness all over. The
"conversion" to 1:3,5 improved the lens very much.



John Dancke






From Hasselblad Mailing List:

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000

From: Marc James Small [email protected]

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: 6x6 projector



Peter Jon White wrote:



>Is there an affordable 6x6 projector on the market? $2800 for the Hasselblad
>is WAY out of my price range.





The Kiev-66 generally runs around $200 in the US, though these puppies can
be found for a lot less with some effort.  You need a HEAVY-DUTY
converter, but these are available and not terribly expensive:  I believe
I spent $15 for mine.  And the optics are wonderful. 


And, on the newer ones, the mechanicals aren't too bad, either!



Marc



[email protected] 






From hasselblad Mailing List;

Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 

From: Jack Casner [email protected]

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: 6x6 projector



There is a unit available from KIEV Atlanta:  http://www.camera.kiev.ua/



I know nothing about it, but it is astonishingly low priced.



Jack Casner






From Hasselblad Mailing List;

Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000

From: Ulf JOGREN [email protected]

To: [email protected]

Subject: SV: 6x6 projector




There is a very good German projector for 6x6 i the Kindermann 66T. It has
metal chassis, excellent condensor and mechanical qualities. Looks like
most
35mm projectors (but a little bit bigger) remote control for focus,
forward and backwords. Can be steered from a tape-recorder, with 2
projectors, fully electronically controlled slideshows possible with 2
projectors etc. I don't know the exact price in $$ but probably 800 -
900$. The lens is (standard 150mm, 5-lens) other focal lengths available.  
(reading this through it sounds like I am a salesman for them, no, am not,
just very satiesfied with my own.... :-)  ) 


Ulf S





[Ed. note: free online manual for P11 projector...]

From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 

From: Dirk-Roger Schmitt [email protected]

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] Users manual for the P11



Look at:



http://www.rflex.de/



Dirk



At 12:55 26.04.00 +0100, you wrote:



>Can anybody help me with a users manual to the Rollei P-11 projector, as
>photo copy or original, or does anybody where to look for it ??








From Hasselblad Mailing List:

Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 

From: Martin Taureg [email protected]

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: 6x6 projector



Ulf Sj�gren wrote:



 There is a very good German projector for 6x6 i the Kindermann 66T. It
has meta chassis, excellent condesor and mechanical qualities. Looks like
most 35mm projectors (but a little bit bigger) remote control for focus,
forward and backwords. Can be steered from a tape-recorder, with 2
projectors, fully electronically controlled slideshows possible with 2
projectors etc. I don't know the exact price in $$ but probably 800 -
900$. The lens is (standard 150mm, 5-lens) 


Hasselblad Germany offered a special edition of this projector (66T
highlight, with higher capacity lamp) and 2,8/150 mm Docter lens for DEM
2.400 in the spring issue (No. 16) of its newsletter "Format".



Is any list member using this projector and willing to share practical
experiences?



Best,

Martin







From Contax Mailing List:

Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 

From: "Bob Shell" [email protected]

Subject: Re: [CONTAX] Slightly OT: Gepe mounts



You want the white side toward the light source to keep the mount
as cool as possible and the black side toward the screen to help
cut down on flare.



Bob



- ----------



>From: Denton Taylor [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [CONTAX] Slightly OT: Gepe mounts
>Date: Sat, May 6, 2000, 6:05 PM
>

> I am preparing a slide show for a large audience for the first time ever
> and so have invested in a bunch of Gepe glass mounts and mounting 
> equipment. I've figured out how to do it but here is my silly question...
> do you mount so the white side faces the slide projector or the screen?









From Contax Mailing List:

Date: Thu, 11 May 2000

From: "Bob Shell" [email protected]

Subject: Re: [CONTAX] Contax 645, 6x4.5 slides



I use glass mounts from Wess for my programs about medium format
photography.  Since my presentation uses a mix of 645, 6 X 6, 6 X 7
and even a couple 6 X 8, I have no projector choice and must use
Gotschmann, since they are the only company making a 6 X 7 projector
which can be hooked up to a fade/dissolve device.



If I only had 645 and 6 X 6, I'd use the Hasselblad projectors.



If I didn't need auto fade/dissolve I'd use something less expensive
like Cabin or Malenverno.



We have an article on slide projectors coming in our June issue of
Shutterbug which includes medium format options.



Bob






rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

From: "Cary F. Yelin" [email protected]

[1] Re: Info on Rollei P 11 Projector please

Date: Sun May 28 10:37:05 CDT 2000




I own a P-11 and have repaired several of these projectors for a local
dealer.  The motor burned out on my P-11 (my fault) and I had a huge job
locating and then installing a new motor.  The P-11 is a very intricate
design, totally mechanical with a multitude of gears and cams and levers
and trigger mechanisms.  It is all run off one fan motor with power
derived for slide changing from a rubber idler wheel brought into place
by a solenoid, etc.  Frankly, if I had to do it over again, I would look
for a good used Rollei P-66 and a separate 35 mm. projector, like a
good, used Carousel.  On the other hand, the optics of the P-11 are
outstanding and, never having owned a P-66, I cannot speak for it.  As
for P-11 parts, I understand there are some available in Canada but, to
the best of my knowledge, none are available in the U.S., certainly not
from Marflex, the Rollei factory source.  When I called Marflex for a
new motor, they essentially laughed at me.  Good luck and let me know if
I can be of any further help.







rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

From: Bob Salomon [email protected]

[1] Re: Info on Rollei P 11 Projector please

Date: Sun May 28 11:30:19 CDT 2000



The lens mount is identical and new 66 lenses work in the P11 and vice
versa.


--



www.hpmarketingcorp.com for links to our suppliers



HP Marketing Corp. U.S. distributor for Braun, Gepe, Giottos, Heliopan, HP
Combi Plan T, Kaiser fototechnik, KoPho cases, Linhof, Pro Release,
Rimowa,
Rodenstock, Sirostar 2000, Tetenal Ink Jet Papers


....







From: zeolite1 [email protected]

Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: Rollei P66S


I owned and used a Rollei P66S projector for several years. If you are
determined to own and use a medium format projector, it is superb.
Compared to a Kodak 35mm Carousel, the Rollei mechanical slide
transport is very smooth, quiet, and precise. Compared to a 35mm
projector, the P66S image is very dim (I believe the Rollei lamp was
250W to cover a 6x6 cm image, while the Kodak was 300W to cover a
24x36mm image). $500 sounds very good.



I mounted my slides in Gepe anti-newton glass mounts, and even with
these mounts, the big 6x6 image was curved and the entire slide was
never in focus. This was the fault of the large film, and the slide
mount, not the projector. I also was using a 6x7 format camera, and at
that time no 6x7 projector was available. I shot one 6x7 image to keep,
and a second to cut down to 6x6 and project. I gave up and sold the
Rollei mainly because of the focus problem, and partly for the dim
image. I would not recommend ANY medium format projector, but if you
must try it, then Rollei is excellent. 



Don







From: Bob Salomon [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000

Subject: Re: Rollei P66S


When you use glass mounts you need a flat field lens to hold the whole
area sharp. The standard 150 3.5 is not a high quality flat field lens.
You need the S series Rollei lens for glass mounts. 


The fault was neither with the projector or the film. It was the lens.



As for the lamp the 250 watt 24V lamp is so bright the P66 series has a
rheostat to reduce the light level. The illumination system on the 6x6
projector is very different then the reflector lamp system used in the
Kodak projector. 


--


www.hpmarketingcorp.com for links to our suppliers



HP Marketing Corp. U.S. distributor for Braun, Gepe, Giottos, Heliopan, HP
Combi Plan T, Kaiser fototechnik, KoPho cases, Linhof, Pro Release,
Rimowa,
Rodenstock, Sirostar 2000, Tetenal Ink Jet Papers





From Hasselblad Mailing List:

Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000

From: Robert Deane [email protected]

Subject: Re: hasselblad V1 #889



Klaus



The same projector, with some modifications allowing Ideal Format slides
to be projected, was sold, rebadged, as the Linhof projector.  You should
perhaps also look for the slide changer in large format shops in the USA.



regards

Robert Deane




> Date: Mon, 29 May 2000
> From: "Klaus Knuth" [email protected]
> Subject: Leitz Universal Projector - Slide Holder
>
> Just got a used Leitz Prado Universal Projector to get a decent look at my
> Hassy slides, but the  slide holder is missing.
> I'd be very grateful for any tips on sources in the US (Leitz  directly?).
> Thanks!









From Hasselblad Mailing List:

Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 

From: Peter Jon White [email protected]

To: [email protected]

Subject: RE: 6x6 projector



Well, the Kiev has been discontinued. But I was able to get the last one
they had for pretty cheap as it had some shipping damage. I should be able
to fix it up though.



The folks at Kiev are very nice to deal with.



Thanks to all for the advice.



Peter Jon White



 > The Kiev-66 generally runs around $200 in the US, though
 > these puppies can
 > be found for a lot less with some effort.  You need a
 > HEAVY-DUTY converter,
 > but these are available and not terribly expensive:  I
 > believe I spent $15
 > for mine.  And the optics are wonderful.
 >
 > And, on the newer ones, the mechanicals aren't too bad, either!
 >
 > Marc





Peter Jon White







Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000

From: [email protected]
 
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

 Subject: Re: duplicate 2.25 tranparencies 


cheapest way is to shoot a second shot while you are looking at it ;-)



a few services offer 2 1/4" dupes; IIRC Sunset Color Labs used to do so
pretty cheaply? see http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/mf/processing.html etc.



for films, Kodak has some slide duping films that reduce contrast buildup



for setups, cheapy Tmount slide duplicators for 35mm are no problem, there
is a 6x6 version, such as Cambridge Cameras $200+ unit, which I haven't
used. Quality from high power closeup diopters at 1:1 leaves me wondering?



If you have a flat field macro lens, and the right extension tubes/bellows
you can make rather high quality dupes with that setup, but it is pricey
in medium format.



If you have a 4x5" and rollfilm back, it is easier due to ease of
movements and closeup capabilities of 4x5" etc., but some resolution
losses if using older lenses as I used to use.



Some folks setup enlarger to project image directly onto film plane of
lens-less camera, this is a poor man's macro or flatfield setup, and you
can trip camera open with black card over lens in darkroom to allow
vibrations to settle down, then remove for multi-second exposure, then
replace. The only real issue is I don't like the tungsten film plus
filterpack settings you have to use, but for black and white it has uses.
You can also get some serious enlargements onto film this way past 1:1!
If you adapted your enlarger housing to use a strobe for daylight films,
and just used tungsten lighting to focus, that might work a lot better?



the simple way is to project the slide, then shoot it, but not highest
quality, but can be surprisingly decent, and you can use daylight films
still, look at Bowens Illuminatron (sp?), which has bellows column,
focusing stage, built-in lights, and flash setup. This is the pro
solution, but the problem is flat field optics and 1:1 enlargement scales
in medium format aren't easy to get on many systems ;-(



in short, there are lots of options, mostly depending on what you have at
hand, which could do the job with some puttering and testing...



HTH - bobm







From: JW [email protected]

Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: Looking for 6x6 slide mounts...


I just got some from    www.inkjetart.com - they have slide mounts in
many sizes.



[email protected] wrote:



> Hello;
>
> i have run out of 6x6 slide mounts (for projection)
> and would appreciate any sources for the cardboard type
> and/or the simple plastic type.
>
> thanks,








[Ed.note: thanks to Bill for sharing his success with superslides
cutter..]

Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 

From: [email protected]

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: superslides



Bob:  Got that Mamiya Superslide Cutter off ebay.  Cost me a bundle (60+)
but it arrived yesterday and works like a charm.  I just center it over
the portion of the 6x6 or 6x4.5 transparence that I want to crop to, and
push down and voila' I have a perfectly square transparency that I then
snap into the gepe mounts I previously bought and slap it in the
projector.  


Neat.  



Bill







Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000

From: Bob Salomon [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: Slide Viewer


We will introduce an under 100.00 2 1/4 / 35mm 5000K, 2x viewer shortly.
It accepts strips of film as well as mounted 35mm, 645, 66 or 67 mounted
slides. Max. slide size is 6x17cm. 


It will be available from camera stores after Photokina --


www.hpmarketingcorp.com for links to our suppliers






From Leica Mailing List:

Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000

From: "Doug Richardson" [email protected]

Subject: [Leica] Re: Projector bulbs



This is off topic but I'm trying to help a friend -- any of you
people know
where one might find a bulb to fit a Bolex super-8 movie projector?




There is a photo store in London which maintains a huge stock of
hard-to-find projector bulbs. You'd have to work pretty hard to find a
projector for which they can't provide a bulb.




Lee's Cameras (Holborn) Ltd
281/282 High Holborn
London WC1V 7ER
England
Tel +44 20 7831 6060
Fax +44 20 7831 9990





Regards,



Doug Richardson  







Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 

From: "richard evans" [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: Med format projectors




I use a Gnome Alphax Major which takes 6x6 or 35mm. slides in
carriers and has 150mm. lens. Not bad, and they are quite cheap
in UK. The 722 model has a halogen bulb, the 721 uses A1/37 300w.
mains voltage.



I'd love a Rollei PII as mentioned elsewhere but they are the
best part of GBP 500 when available.



Pierce Egan wrote



>The only ads for med format projectors I can find are of the $1000-$7000
>range. There has to be another solution - especially since I live in England
>and would have to pay import duty on top. Any suggestions?
>jm








From Panoramic Mailing List:

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000

From: ADavidhazy [email protected]

Subject: Re: 360 deg. slide-projector ?!



Once a student and I did some projections into a translucent glass sphere
using
a fisheye lens adapter on a motion picture projector that, if I recall
correctly, was quite interesting.



Scanning projectors may not be the best solution to projection. Better, I
think, to convert to a spherical doughnut shaped image and then project
with a
cone or other auxiliary device to an instantaneous 360 degree
projection. This
enables easy image changes as well. I would suspect you'd want to make the
"dupes" on something larger than 35mm stock ... maybe 2 1/4 or 4x4?




Andrew  o o  0 0 o . o  Davidhazy, Imaging and Photo Tech
         \/\/\/\/\/\/          http://www.rit.edu/~andpph 
         \/\/\/\/\/\/          http://www.rit.edu/~andpph
__________|        |_____________________________________


> hi there,

> spinning around with a 220vr and taking slides i wonder
> if there are 360 deg. slide-projectors for those panos?
> kind of rotating lens and light spinning in the middle (light)
> and outside (lens) of a pano-slide that is mounted on a plexiglas-drum?

> cheers, michael

> _______________________________________________________
> Werder & Stoll. Design Consultants
> _______________________________________________________
> Claudia Werder, Designerin MA (RCA)









From Panoramic Mailing List:

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000

From: Willem-Jan Markerink [email protected]

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: 360 deg. slide-projector ?!



On 31 Aug 00 at 15:50, lists wrote:
	


> hi there,
>
> spinning around with a 220vr and taking slides i wonder
> if there are 360 deg. slide-projectors for those panos?
> kind of rotating lens and light spinning in the middle (light)
> and outside (lens) of a pano-slide that is mounted on a plexiglas-drum?





To list a few alternative solutions: Noblex once made a prototype
motorized film-feed for their 4x5" projector, 220 format film,
endless loop....it's listed in their original brochure, but never
made it into production.



Having a 4x5" Leitz Diaskop myself, it's a very tempting idea....:)) 



'Sectional projection' (my terminology for multi-vision projection on
a circular screen) is troubled by focussing on such a curved
plane....so you need several projectors, each covering only a small
angle.



For personal viewing, Discovery Channel once showed a stereo-camera
plus viewer, using 70mm film, and where the viewer was put on a
rotating base....the film simply moved through the viewer according
to its angular orientation....that's as close to virtual reality you
can get, and *without* any 'puters or electronics....



--

Bye,



Willem-Jan Markerink 






From Hasselblad Mailing List:

Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 

From: stuart phillips [email protected]

Subject: Re: Off-List



And look at the projectors!  Anyone used one?  $340 ! Not a "Blad but i'm
sure enough for me to look at my own slides on a cold winter's night.




stuart



----- Original Message -----

From: [email protected]

To: [email protected]

Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 

Subject: Re: Off-List




> Marc,
> I'd been looking for instructions for the Kiev TTL Prism for a long time.
> Thanks for your www.hartblei.com helpful email.  Messages like this from you
> are what make this Hasselblad Group a valuable and informative source.
> Bob R.








From Hasselblad Mailing List:

Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000

From: ULF_S JOGREN [email protected]

Subject: SV: Off-List



----- Ursprungligt meddelande -----

Fr�n: "stuart phillips" [email protected]

Skickat: den 4 september 2000

�mne: Re: Off-List




> And look at the projectors!  Anyone used one?  $340 ! Not a "Blad but i'm 
> sure enough for me to look at my own slides on a cold winter's night.
>
> Hmmmmm...........suppose you mean that anger and frustration over the
poor quality of the projector will be enough to keep you warm?  ;-)






 No, but honestly speaking I found my Kindermann T66 (+something) was
good. But just until I took my slides to my camera club and had them shown
in the Hasselblad P. Then I understood....... No, I will not buy a
Hasselblad projector (I think) but there is a difference. If you have a
Hassie and show the pictures in a Kiev.... well I think it is like buying
a Mercedes just to go to the shop to buy milk.. or something like that.



Ulf






From Hasselblad Mailing List:

Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000

From: Marc James Small [email protected]

Subject: Kiev 66 MF Slide Projector



I have had one of these for five or six years.  Mechanically crude,
optically superb.  Not suitable for large venues due to its low power.  
The new models sell for around $20 complete in the CIS, but are just not
sold in the US, another example of fine Post-Soviet marketing failures.



These are nice units, quite capable, and do both 35mm and MF.  They take
standard DIN slide trays.



Marc



[email protected]






From Hasselblad Mailing List:

Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000

From: stuart phillips [email protected]

Subject: Re: Kiev 66 MF Slide Projector



If I'm not mistaken, the Kiev 66 is available from www.hartblei.com at a
price of $340 or $460 + ? shipping.  Hartblei as an outfit has received
praise from Shutterbug.  With your recommendation, that's good news.



stuart






From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000

From: "John A. Lind" [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] P-11 projector



Owen,


They take standard "Euro" slide trays.  The "7x7" (the frames for "6x6"
transparencies are 7x7) and 35mm are essentially the same design.  Harder
to find might be the "7x7" trays.  I know you can get them from B&H in NY,
but don't know of a source in Canada for you.



-- John


...






From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 

From: Lucian Chis [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] P-11 projector



John, Owen,



The "Euro" trays you mention here were introduced by Leitz and everybody
HAD to buy a license from Leitz. Euro may be a little too much. They may
be a little more popular with Leitz Rollei Kindermann, Braun, Zeiss Ikon,
Voigtlander and so on, but the Sawyers Rototray is alive and well (I guess
it is a question of lower or inexistant licensig fees) in Europe. Kodak
Stuttgart projectors (S-AV or Ektapro, or call them nowadays Leica RT-M/S)
use the Carousel trays like the Ektagraphics and Carousels in the US. So I
insist that "Euro" should read "Leitz" in this context. 



The designation nowadays after being standardized is DIN 108 (as you may
know DIN (Deutsche Industrie Norme) is a kind of ANSI for Germany and most
of Europe and forms the core of ISO (International Standards Organisation)
standards. That's why ISO is NOT the same as ASA in film sensitivity: ISO
mentions both DIN (log) and ASA(linear) numbers. Therefore, saying that a
film is ISO 100 is not accepted; the ISO is 100/21degrees). Now, in Canada
Kindermann is larger than in US (as they take care of Leica too), and
Kindermann makes and made 6X6 projecctors for a while. Their trays are
interchangeable with Rollei. They are inferior in quality, but they may be
OK for starters. They may be coming off the same molding line, but with
differnt quality control. 


Try not to buy the black trays as they tend to be worse made by whoever
subcontracted that job and go for the gray colored ones.



Cheers,



Lucian







Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000
	
From: "ZHANNA" [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: Reasonably Priced MF Projector?



Kiev 66 for $340 or Kiev 66 automat for $460 at www.hartblei.com


...






Date: Tue, 03 Oct

From: [email protected] (Willem-Jan Markerink)

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: Noblex  150 - Slide Frames



   [email protected] (Ralf R. Radermacher) wrote:



>Amr Ibrahim  wrote:
>
>> I wonder if there is a source of supply for slide frames that will fit the
>> Noblex 150 medium format; it is 5x120mm.  I would really appreciate your
>> help in determining this source whether in North America or Europe.
>
>Not rather 50 x 120...? :)
>
>No idea, though. And, given the fact that no-one produces a slide
>projector for this format, it appears quite unlikely.





Noblex makes a 4x5" projektor (no production right now, selling from
stock, but they will start production again once that is sold). And so did
Leitz in the past, the hardly known & obscure Diaskop & Epidiaskop, 1000W
monsters with lenses up to 1000mm/f6.0....glory from days long gone, made
from early this century until the late 50's.... (and the Epidiaskop
(combination of reflective and transparency projector) 


also by Liesegang, Zeiss-Ikon, and who knows else....



More about MF & LF projectors in general, and (Epi)Diaskop in specific,
can be found on my homepage: 



http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm



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Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000

From: "Q.G. de Bakker" [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: 40x40mm Slide Mounts



Such a Deal wrote:



> Anyone know where I can get some 40x40mm slide mounts for Hasselblad
> 16S film back??





Gepe makes these.



See:



http://www.gepe.com/english/sm_spec.htm 



and



http://www.gepe.com/english/poster.htm



and for distributors



http://www.gepe.com/english/distrib.htm 







Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000

From: Bob Salomon [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: 6X7 transparency viewer?



Gepe will release a daylight balanced slide viewer with a 3x glass lens
that will accommodate any size film up to 2 1/4 x 9" The lens slides
across for viewing longer slides. 


It folds compactly, has angle arms, comes with case and operates on AA
batteries or with an optional AC adapter.



List price will be less then $100.00 availability end of 2000.


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> From: [email protected] (Alan Hogg)
> Organization: University of Waikato
> Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2000
> Subject: 6X7 transparency viewer?
>
> Does anyone have any information about the availability of 6X7
> transparency viewers (other than loupes)? I remember some years back
> seeing portable 35mm slide viewers - have any 6X7 ones been made?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alan Hogg








[Ed. note: there are some slide duplicators in 6x6 available similar to
the T-mount 35mm versions (Cambridge Camera Corp imports..), but you can
also use bellows and macro lenses for copying too...]

 Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000

From: "Al Denelsbeck" [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mmR
Subject: Re: slide copying/duplicating




>Does anybody have experience of copying/duplicating slides ? There are
>attachments that can fit on a 35mm slr which will copy slides - are
>these any good ? Can you recommend a good model ?
>Also - can these attachments crop/enlarge parts of a slide onto another
>slide ?





    I picked up a zoom slide duplicator from B&H Photo a while back. The
quality is acceptable but not superior, so okay for initial submissions to
show your work (make sure the editor knows this is a dupe), but not okay
for the actual paid submission. The model I have will do both straight 1:1
slide copying as well as zooming in up to 2.5:1 (or 2 1/2 times actual
size). It will also work as a basic macro lens, but since I have both a
macro and extension tubes, I've never felt the need to try this out.



    This is a T-Mount model, as I think most of them are, so add another
$20 for a T-mount adapter for your camera. Then you have to consider good
copy film, and most especially the light source you use, so you don't
introduce color shift. I achieved best results with a manual flash, aiming
both the duplicator and the flash at a white board on the wall, with no
ambient light to fudge the colors. Takes a bit of experimenting to get the
exposure right - you won't be able to trust the camera meter, and have no
aperture control. 


    If you're interested, go to B&H's website, do a search under B&H
catalog # GBSDZ. Or a search under Photo/Copy Accessories if the search
engine auto-refresh doesn't drive you nuts, but this will give you their
full line. 



>The reason I want copy them is because I dont want to use the original
>masters when sending them to magazines, etc. Should I just stick with a
>photolab ? Will the quality be superior to what I could produce at
>home ? BTW, I have an AF minolta slr.





    For the best results, stick with a *pro* lab, preferably going with
70mm dupes (so I've heard, I have yet to have these done). The larger
image can only help, unless it's pointing out that your original wasn't as
sharp as you thought, which is still a help - the magazine is almost
certainly going to use your shot much larger than that, and wants it to be
excellent. 


    Also, I wouldn't suggest zooming or cropping your slides unless
absolutely necessary, the editor can do that. If you initial submission
shows enlarged grain from the zooming, you're gonna hurt your chances
worse than having extraneous detail. 


    The other option, highly recommended, is in-camera dupes. Shoot
everything at least twice, and the shots you know are gonna be good get
even more. That way nothing goes wrong. Film is cheap - one sale from that
roll covers all the dupes you shot. 


    Good Luck!           - Al






From Panoramic Mailing List:

Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000

From: Alan Zinn [email protected]

Subject: FYI poly tubing



Colleagues,



I was just browsing a catalog and found poly tubing for long negs at a
variety of sizes. There is a lot of other interesting packaging stuff here
too.




http://www.fetpak.com/pages/shrink.html



AZ







Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000

From: "Sorin Varzaru" [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format,rec.photo.misc

Subject: Enlarging lens used as a projector lens



I have an old Sears Tower that allows me to project 35mm and 2 1/2 x 2 1/2
slides. Unfortunately the lens on this cheap old consumer projector is
kinda crappy. :-) Since the mount of the lens on this projector is so
simple (just a 65mm diameter barrel) I was thinking I cound rig up a
projection lens from a plastic tube with an enlarging lens at the end. A
decent ~5inch enlarging lens (like a Rodenstock Ysaron 150mm/f4.5 or a
Raptar Enlarging Lens 135/4.5 Wollensack or Rodenstock Omegaron 135mm )
that can be found on eBay for maybe $35- 50 should IMHO render better
results then the original lens. 


My question : There is any reason this would not work as expected? Do I
miss something? 


Oh, some may say that an enlarging lens is slower then mt f3.5 original
lens. Since this is a MF projector I always project with the lens all the
way stopped down so focusing doen not have to be that accurate, so this
would not be a problem.



[ed. note: beware of heat building melting balsam in enlarger lenses, not
designed for high heat projection...]






From Rollei Mailing List;

Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000

From: Jim Hemenway [email protected]

Subject: [Rollei] Rollei 77 magazin slide trays



Bob:



There are some on eBay right now - Tuesday - currently at $11.50. A
lot-of-5 usually sells on ebay $45 - $60.  New, they cost $29.95 at
Adorama Camera in NY.  I've been told that the Kindermann work just as
well... they cost $11.95.



http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=503105808



The close is at 17:47:33 PST.



I've purchased all of mine, (Rollei 77) at an average price of $9+



Jim




From: "R. Peters" [email protected]

Subject: [Rollei] Rollei 77 magazin slide trays



Can someone give me a source (if any) for Magazin 77 trays?  What do they
generally go for used? 


        bob







From Hasselblad Mailing List:

Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000

From: [email protected]

Subject: PCP 80 Slide Projecter



I am looking for a remote cable control for my Hasselblad PCP 80 Slide
projector, this item was discontinued by Hasselblad, I called B&H and KEH,
both do not have it any idea on were can I find this item new or used,
also Hasselblad told me that one of Kodak's remote controllers is
compatible with the PCP 80, but they could not tell me what model number
is, any advise or recommendation is appreciated 


Mike







From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 

From: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] Projectors for Rollei slides?



[email protected] writes:




 1.Are manual sliding slide changers a drag?



 2.What about lenses that came/come with various manufacturers like
Rollei, Kindermann, Bell&Howell? 


 3. Is excessive heat damaging slides a problem in older models?



 4. Do folks like glass or glassless mounts? Is Gepe a good brand to go
with?



 Thanks!-Fred
  



At one time or another I've owned a rollei P11, the Kindermann unit, and a
more modern autofocus rollei, forget the model number offhand.  I like
best the kindermann unit which is all-manual.  The automatic features of
the newer rollei offer nothing of any real benefit, and are kind of fussy
in operation. 


 The P11 has this problem in spades--the thing is huge and the mechanism
is an electromechanical nightmare.  There's almost no easy way to clear a
jam (which frequently occurs) except to unplug the thing and start over.  
The only advantage of the p11 is that the optics seem better than the
newer rollei or the kindermann--but idiotically, the lenses are not
interchangeable.  If I could get a really good lens for the kindermann, it
would be ideal for my purposes.  For professional slide shows in an
auditorium, I don't know. 


John McFadden







[Ed. note: source for film cutters - Gepe..]

From ROllei Mailing List:

Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000

From: Bob Salomon [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rollei Users list digest V8 #226



Gepe makes a series of film cutters that cut the film to exactly the
correct size for their mounts, straight edges, cuts both sides at once,
trims sprocket holes from 70mm, cuts to proper size even when one side of
the film is totally dark. 


Available in 645, 66 and 67 sizes as well as a 2 pass cutter for Super
Slides.


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From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000

From: Bob Shell [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] Projectors for Rollei slides?




> From: Fred Greenspan [email protected]
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Rollei] Projectors for Rollei slides?
>
> I have been browsing new and used projectors for 6x6. Wondering what other
> peoples thoughts/preferences for viewing their ROLLEI (on topic) slides are.
>
> 1.Are manual sliding slide changers a drag?





Yes.




> 2.What about lenses that came/come with various manufacturers like Rollei,
> Kindermann, Bell&Howell?





Rollei and Kindermann have decent lenses on their projectors.  Bell &
Howell are OK but not as good. Gottschmann has the best ones, from
Schneider, but VERY expensive. 



> 3. Is excessive heat damaging slides a problem in older models?





Yes.



> 4. Do folks like glass or glassless mounts? Is Gepe a good brand to go with?





Glass mounts are the only ones which will hold MF transparencies flat
enough.



Yes, Gepe is a good brand.  I also use Wess brand.



Bob






From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000

From: [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] Projectors for Rollei slides?




> from fred : used projectors for 6x6.
> 1.Are manual sliding slide changers a drag?





I have an old French SFOM 100% manual. The actual drag is not to
manipulate the mounted slides individually but actually to mount them
without catching dust between the glasses. As I mentioned earlier on
this list if you show 6x6 slides to friends that have as a unique
reference of quality the images viewed on their 625 lines TV screen,
viewing 6x6 slides is a celebration like opening and sharing a great
wine : it needs time and manual operation ; can you imagine an
automated procedure to celebrate the Holy Sunday Service?




> 2.What about lenses that came/come with various manufacturers like
> Rollei, Kindermann, Bell&Howell?





Rollei did not change so much the diameter of the barrel since the
P11. So I guess any Rollei lens would do the job on any
Rolleiprojector. On my SFOM I have an honest triplet from Berthiot in
a nice metallic mount. I'm reluctant to upgrade the lens since for the
price of a new lens I might find a used P11 complete which is better
than my sfom. Most basic 150 mm lenses are a triplet design and
probably perform similarly except for the quality of the mount.




> 3. Is excessive heat damaging slides a problem in older models?





Hmmm... don't think so because older models are not really bad at
cooling. However they are often very noisy. On my SFOM I eventually
managed to kill a noisy resonance of a protective grid underneath
simply by pressing a piece of foam at the right place.




> 4. Do folks like glass or glassless mounts? Is Gepe a good brand to
> go with?





I used old AGFA with glass but not antinewton ; this was old stock
nobody had bought for years in a parisian shop. I found them
inappropriate for regular color film due to Newton rings, however with
my home made B&W slides there was no problem, I do not know why. Then
I switched to GEPE antinewton because they are the only 6x6 and 4.5x6
slide mounts easily available in France. And they are really
excellent both mechanically and optically. I never tried glassless 6x6
mounts because I thought you'd loose the benefit of medium format
sharpness by popping/defocussing. But honestly I did not actually try.



--

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[email protected]







Date: Sat, 09 Dec 00

From: [email protected] (Willem-Jan Markerink)

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: 6x7 Projector



   Op's [email protected] wrote:



>Noblex have one last looked





That's a bit overkill in size, and perhaps a bit underkill in
comfort....it covers 4x5", but is all-manual. OTOH, the only
automatic/magazine-loading 6x7 projector is made by Goetschmann (Germany),
and almost twice the price of the Noblex....8-)) 


More info about MF- and LF-projectors:



http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/proj_667.htm



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FRom Rollei Mailing List;

Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001

From: [email protected]

Subject: [Rollei] Re: Projection screens



Don't forget to check old office/school supply stores for projector
screens.  I bought mine for $10 -it was standing with a pile of others
abandoned in a corner.







From Rollei Mailing List;

Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000

From: Mark Rabiner [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] I need a new projection screen



Mark Bergman wrote:



> After only two or more decades of use my projection screen (for slides) is
> starting to rip at the corners, etc.  I'm bewildered by the  choices
> available.  I'm looking at an 84"x84".  Any recommendations from the group?
> My projector is about 25 feet from the screen (we sit behind the projector),
> the room is fairly narrow and dark.





Don't get beaded, your fast film will look the same as your slow film.
To see the grain if it's there (and I'd want to) get a mat screen.
White paper or cardboard on the wall will work better than most screens.
The screen companies think what sells is the brighening abilities of their
beaded screens.



Most don't even carry a mat screen.
But they are out there.



mark :) rabiner



Happy "Days of Non!"



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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 

To: [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: 6x17 Slide Projector



yep, most of the later models were 3" x 4" or 3" x 4 1/4" or so to
accommodate type #116 or #616 "postcard" camera slides (Kodak #3A..);
I suspect some of the earlier models and esp. some stereo setups might be
a starting point, slides were even larger in the past, and might work; but
they are also probably too pricey as collectibles, esp. stereo models?



the overhead projector is one approach, but as I point out (in april 1998
email on http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/bronslideproj.html) you might want
to experiment with better mirrors and optics than the usual simple
lens(es) used on most cheapy academic overheads, also masking etc.



another approach would be to convert a 5x7" camera or enlarger into a
projector with light source, and project? Problem would seem to be more
even light source without excess heat buildup and fast enough
(bright) optics clear out to the corners?



finally, this is not a problem if digital quality is okay, using a Texas
Instruments digital light projector and custom format would provide a nice
and bright image, but then, you might as well shoot some 6x6cm images
and stitch them together...



--

* Robert Monaghan 








Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001

From: Bob Salomon [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format

Subject: Re: 6x17 Projector



617 are projected with an overhead projector. Back in the 70s Linhof
offered a 617 carrier to use with some Liesegang overheads but demand
was so small it was discontinued in 80 or 81. Haven't seen one since.
But Liesegang might still have a method of projecting them.



Joseph_Schutz wrote:



> Friends,
>
> I would like a slide projector that will project 6x17 cm positives in a medium size room.
>
> I would like the image to be relatively bright.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Joe






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From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001

From: Lucian Chis [email protected]

Subject: [Rollei] Re:

 

At the time of processing you can choose to have the film sleeved
and rolled or you can have it put in a "negative" file. 


If you have it in a simple sleeve, it is because you want to do something
with it soon after processing. Like mount it in a slide mount or a
presentation mount. Presentation mounts usually are glassless and are
black whereas the slide mounts (for projection) have at least one white
side (which will face the lamp in order to reduce the heat rise of the
slide). 


Gepe is the best choice in the US; depending on where you live, you will
prefer glass or glassless, of course leaning towards glass everywhere you
can keep them without gathering humidity and fungus (like if you have AC
in your house, you should be fine). Antinewton is recommended (at least
one glass). 


My unglazed slides will need refocusing between center and corners. Glass
mounted ones are just fine.



Rollei used to have a medium format projector available in the USA, called
Rolleivision 66 Dual P. It was the best buy as it was the only projector
with integrated IR remote control, built-in dissolve capability, coated
condensors, and AF. It has been temporarily discontinued with promises
that it will be back. It sold for $1500 + ($150 - $1200 for the lens)
Recommended is the Schneider AV-Xenotar 150/2.8 which is a 5 element lens;
around $500) 30 slide straight tray connectable (to 60, but not more as 60
glass mounted slides weigh a lot and the mechanism will not be able to
push more (like 120) uphill. 


Hasselblad still has a cache or PCP 80 slide projectors, even though I
understand that Zeiss Ikon quit making them for a while now (these had a
limited choice of lenses from 75mm for rear projection or wide angle, the
150/3.5 P-Planar (5 element again) and the 250/4 P-Sonnar for large rooms.
Expect to pay $2800 + $500 for the P-Planar. The advantage of the PCP80 is
keystone correction built-in with tilting lighting assembly and shifting
lens. the lighting is ingenious too, as it uses two dichroic mirrors to
get rid of heat without a heat filter. 80slide carousel tray. Best cooling
of all MF slide projectors (hyperbaric, with air filter to eliminate dust
on optics. Huge machine compared to the Rolleis. 


Light output sensibly equal with the Rolleivision (same lamp 250W 24V)
Used Rolleis are available too; the first was the P-11, which took 35mm as
well.



Extremely well made, but easily damaged in transport. Expect to pay
$400-$1000 for a used one (they quit making them in the 70's) depending on
lens and capability (300W or 500W) as well as accessories (remote control,
field case). 


You can use all Rollei MF projection lenses on all Rollei MF projectors
(that meaning that you can take e.g. a 1964 Heidosmat 400/4 and put it on
a 2001 Rolleivision and it will fit 


Then of course you can go for the cheaper used stuff: Highly recommended
are the Leitz Prado 66 (push-pull) especially the Prado Universal based
ones (halogen lamp, same deal 250W 24V, a little dimmer (uncoated
condensors). Expect to pay $300-$1000 for one, depending on lens and
model. 


Kindermann made a lot of 6X6 projectors, most of mediocre performance
(still better than any 35mm though!) with marginal cooling and most with
manual advance. Oddly enough, projectors that list for $400-$500 new still
grab $400-$600 used. It shows you the human nature. People are set to
think they can't afford the good stuff (Rollei, Hasselblad) but pay more
for a used Kindermann just like the one they saw at the camera club than
for the same thing new! 


On the other hand the automatic fed Kindermann, which sold for $1000, will
only grab the same $400-$600. The Liesegang models are identical with the
Kindermann. Less known name in the US, therefore cheaper used. 


You can also find used US made stuff; optically the Bausch & Lomb would be
a better choice, but they are notorious for jamming. Less than $200.



Of course there is a plethora of Viewflex, SVE, Brumberger, or Japanese
Romanslide projectors, most of modest performance with respect to
brightness and cooling. 


Really cheap projectors will give you cheap results, with rare
exceptions.I could really talk on the subject for a long time, but you are
directed to go to Bob Monaghan's site and find some info there (some is
anecdotal, some trustworthy). 


Cheers,



Lucian






From Rollei Mailing List;

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001

From: [email protected]

Subject: [Rollei] slight. OT: MF slides ; store, mount, project




>From S. Sutter :
> Being new to medium format, I'm wondering how people store their 6x6
> transparencies. i've always had them developed so that I get the full roll
> back in one piece, but i'm starting to think more and more about storing
> them differently. Any suggestions?






For square 6x6 slide you first have to make a difficult,
non-reversible choice ;-);-) to cut either in 3 horizontal strips of 4
frames, or 4 vertical strips of 3. Both are available. I cut my strips
by hand with scissors above a light source. There exist slide mounting
devices for 6x6 which will allow you to be very precise by combining
some backward light source with a precise knife (e;g; : the GEPE
mounting press for 7x7cm frames, costs less than US$30). As far as
protective sheets are concerned, I found in the US clear polythene
sheets named 'archival preserve', really excellent. I'm not sure (this
is a matter of debate, just a personal, non argumented feeling) that
the original protective plastic foil that comes back from the
processing lab is actually PVC- or chlorine-free so it might be wise
to switch to proven quality materials for long term storage. You may
also chose to store your film strips in translucent archival paper
sheets which are cheaper and easier to handle as far
sliding/extracting film strips is concerned.




> also, when you project them, what kind of projector would you all recommend?





Hmmm... it depends on you budget. From a $100 manual second hand
projector of the early 60's (my choice for the moment) to a top-class
professional projector close to $3000, you have a limited but
significant choice of equipment. As new from Europe: Kindermann,
Rollei, Hasselblad, Goetschmann. Mamiya has a simple manual 6x7
projector that might be worth considering. As second hand equipment:
there used to be various brands in the 60-70's, and the Rollei P11
model seems to be popular in this group (look in the archive for more
comments on the P11). The P11 is aof course well documented in the
Good Rollei Reference Books (see the FAQ document). To give you an
idea of the price of a used P11, there is one on sale in Paris at
http://www.lemoyenformat.com for FRF 2250 (US$ 320) including a
110-160 zoom lens. BTW a 150 is the standard focal length for 6x6
slides.




> And how much would it be to mount them?





Not really cheap unfortunately if you choose anti-newton glass frames.
BTW they are "anti-newton" in terms of optics, but unfortunately not
in terms of the effect of gravity ;-);-) Cardboard mounts do exist but
will not guarantee flatness so you'll probably loose by de-focusing
most of the gain in quality of MF images. In Germany such anti-newton
glass mounts are sold about 60 cents each (GEPE brand, other do exist
e.g. Hama) so the added expense for a 12-frame roll is about $7.
Plastic/metal glass-less mount exist also and are about $0.3 each.



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Emmanuel BIGLER

[email protected]






From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001

From: Bob Shell [email protected]

Subject: [Rollei] Message from Internet



....


I've always stored my medium format transparencies in archival plastic
negative sheets.  I sort these by category and store the sheets in hanging
file folders in standard filing cabinets.  You can store a lot of film in
a relatively small space this way. 


Projector depends on what you have. If you only have 6 X 6 or an
assortment of 6 X 6 and 645, then there are a number of projectors which
turn up on the used market.  New you can get Rollei and Hasselblad most
easily, with Kindermann sporadically available.  If you include 6 X 7 in
the mix then you are restricted to Cabin and Gottschmann. If you want to
go 6 X 8, 6 X 9, and panoramic your only choice is Noblex. 


Bob







From Panoramic Mailing List:

Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001

From: Ted Baker [email protected]

To: [email protected]

Subject: Re: Cardboard mounts for 35mm x-pan, noblex etc?



Doug,  I bought cardboard XPan mounts that I've been very happy with from
The Stock Solution at:



http://www.tssphoto.com/sp/35mhn.html



I suggest also buying their small roller:



http://www.tssphoto.com/sp/rollers.html



which makes it easier to seal the mounts solidly.  Prices are quite
reasonable, especially in quantity.  They will also send you a free sample
if you'd like to check them out before you order.
Gepe's #2702 is a high end plastic mount with glass for panoramic XPan
images which you can find at:



http://www.gepe.com/english/sm_spec.htm



I can't remember whether I bought them online or thru a dealer but as I
recall they were about $23 for a box of 10 mounts -- excellent mounts but
a bit too steep to use routinely. 


These 2 are the only XPan panoramic format 3.5" square mounts that I've
been able to find.  If anyone has other sources, I'd appreciate a post to
the list.



Regards, Ted




>Dear Pan Listers,
>
>The widelux mount thread continues, although somewhat altered...
>
>Does anyone know who carries cardboard mounts in quantities for x-pan
>besides Franklin Photo Products? I think the x-pan frame size is 24 x 64mm
>which makes it  almost exactly the same as a 35mm Noblex (24 x65mm) but a
>bit wider than the widelux 35mm frame.
>
>I am looking for a decent quality stiff cardboard mount. These would be for
>stock photo filing, not projection.
>
>Thanks, Doug
>--
>
>Doug Segal  [email protected]
>
>Panoramic Images, Chicago










rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

From: "richard evans" [email protected]

[1] Re: What 6x6 slide projector..?

Date: Thu Jan 25 18:07:16 CST 2001



Could try Gnome Alphax Major (UK built) if you see one.
Reasonable lenses and optics, fan cooled, manual slide holders
(not very precise register). Early ones had 300w. 240v. bulbs,
later 150w. halogen with transformer. S/h c. GBP50-70 in UK



HTH richard







Date: Sun, 28 Jan 01

From: [email protected] (Willem-Jan Markerink)

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: 6x17 Slide Projector



   Op's [email protected] wrote:



>Rick Rieger wrote:
>
>> No such animal, that I am aware of.  You could get a Noblex 4x5" projector
>> (or similar) and project a 6x12.  We're talking some big money here if you
>> buy a new unit.
>>
>> Rick Rieger
>>
>Don't  Noblex also make a 6x17 camera now and if they produce a 5x4 projector





No such thing, even the 4x5" unit moves very slow, sales-wise....last
production batch is quite some time ago, current sales are from stock, and
they didn't expect new production soon when I spoke to them last year.



*Very* interesting prototyping around these things though, including a
motorized 120/220-roll feeder, *around* the projector....endless
projection....:))....an fascinating concept in case of full-swing (360
degrees) panorama shots....sadly hasn't made it into production....;((



--

Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink







Date: Sun, 28 Jan 01

From: [email protected] (Willem-Jan Markerink)

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: 6x17 Slide Projector



"Joseph_Schutz" [email protected] wrote:



>Friends,
>
>I would like a slide projector that will project 6x17 cm positives in a
>medium size room.
>
>I would like the image to be relatively bright.
>
>Any suggestions?





Your luck ends at 4x5", unless you have tons of money to throw at
it....a 18x18cm projector is made in France, for marketing/advertizing
purposes, filled with long slide rolls, creating a dynamic show of static
images, including zoom and rotate (yes, that whole darn thing can
rotate....8-))....



A brief overview of large format projectors can be found at:




http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/proj_667.htm



--

Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink






Date: Wed, 24 Jan 200

From: "Simon" [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: What 6x6 slide projector..?



Rob



I picked up a second hand Kindermann Telefocus 66 (ie 6x6 projector) in
the UK for �350, I find it superb - no thrills but in terms of picture
quality a vast improvement over my Braun 35mm projector - but that's what
you expect with medium format :) 


BTW This projector uses a magazine for 7x7 slide holders - which makes
viewing pictures very straight forward.



Simon







From Panoramic Mailing List:

Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001

From: Charles Tait [email protected]

Subject: Re: 6x12 speed mounts?



Hi there



I had some done by Secol in Norfolk



Charles






From Panoramic Mailing List:

Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001

From: [email protected]

Subject: Re: 6x12 speed mounts?



contact Franklin Photo Products at 800-238-9777
for the best 6x12 black photo mounts in the industry.



Mark Segal







From Contax Mailing List:

Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001

From: Bob Shell [email protected]

Subject: Re: [CONTAX] OT: Leica Super Colorpan-P2 f2.5 90 Projector Lens



No, they are not standardized.  In fact the European-built Kodak
projectors use a totally different lens mount than the American ones!



Leica used to make an adapter to use their lenses on American Kodak
Carousel projectors, but I think they discontinued these years ago.  I
would expect this to be a tough item to find today. 


Even European projectors like Rollei, Braun, Liesegang, Zett, etc., all
have different mounts.  Some are similar enough that the lenses will sort
of fit, but not the same. 


Bob




> From: Major A [email protected]
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:02:46 +0000
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [CONTAX] OT: Leica Super Colorpan-P2 f2.5 90 Projector Lens
>
>
> Marc,
>
>> Can this projector lens be mounted on a Kodak projector?  If not can anyone
>> recommend a projector that I can use with this lens? If there are none can
>> some recommend a decent setup.
>> I was considering the Leica P150 and Colorpan -P2 f2.5 90 (not super)
>
> I think the lens mount for projectors is pretty much standardized, so
> I think it should work. A Kodak with the (Super)-Colorplan is probably
> an excellent combination.
>
> Andras









From Panoramic Mailing List:

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001

From: "Russell A. Graves" [email protected]

Subject: Re: Cardboard mounts for 35mm x-pan, noblex etc?



Try www.tssphoto.com







From: Bob Salomon [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001

Subject: Re: Kinderman repair



Argraph is the US kinderman distributor. they can help you. Any camera
store can direct you to them.



imiphoto wrote:



> Anybody know where to get Kinderman (medium format slide projector)
> repair parts in the USA.  Thanks, David.





--

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CombiPlan, DF Albums, Ergorest, Gepe, Gepe-Pro, Giottos, Heliopan,
Kaiser, Kopho, Linhof, Novoflex, Pro-Release, Rimowa, Sirostar, Tetenal
Cloths and Ink Jet Papers, VR, Wista, ZTS www.hpmarketingcorp.com







Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001

To: [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: 6x17 Slide Projector



well, you can use a different light "head" on the enlarger; some folks
have even just blasted direct light from a regular slide projector thru
some condensor setup with a piece of IR blocking glass, and used the
enlarger bellows for focusing...



personally, there are enough bad or busted 5x7" enlargers out there
gathering dust that you could get one at modest expense for parts etc.
sort of depends on what you want to do with it, size of room etc.



you can get a very cheap but relatively fast lens from a photocopier
surplus machine, easily cover 8x10", relatively sharp, for $10 (no iris)
from many surplus shops online



in any case, please feel free to share your successes with us ;-) bobm







From: [email protected] (Evanjoe610)

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Date: 14 Feb 2001

Subject: Re: MF projector now HB PCP80 has gone?




Actually, what was told to me by a Hasselblad salesman, was that the
factory went bankrupt or closed down. That was why Hasselblad had a 6 to 9
months delay on some of the internal parts for repair. I waited 9 months
for the parts to arrive form Germany to repair my Hasselblad PCP 80
projector. I found the PCP80 to be a sound and well built piece of
equipment. It replaces my 2 older Rollei P-11 as my MF projector. My new
Leica 2002 replace the 35mm portion of hte P-11. 







From: Bob Salomon [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001

Subject: Re: MF projector now HB PCP80 has gone?



The hasselblad projector was manufactured in Germany at the Zett factory
in Braunschweig.



Zett was purchased by Leica several years ago from Zeiss.



Congratulations. You own 2 projectors out of Leica's projector
factories. Not one from a Hasselblad and one from a Leica factory.



Evanjoe610 wrote:



> Actually, what was told to me by a Hasselblad salesman, was that the factory
> went bankrupt or closed down. That was why Hasselblad had a 6 to 9 months delay
> on some of the internal parts for repair. I waited 9 months for the parts to
> arrive form Germany to repair my Hasselblad PCP 80 projector. I found the PCP80
> to be a sound and well built piece of equipment. It replaces my 2 older Rollei
> P-11 as my MF projector. My new Leica 2002 replace the 35mm portion of hte
> P-11.





--

HP Marketing Corp. 800 735-4373 US distributor for: Ansmann, Braun,
CombiPlan, DF Albums, Ergorest, Gepe, Gepe-Pro, Giottos, Heliopan,
Kaiser, Kopho, Linhof, Novoflex, Pro-Release, Rimowa, Sirostar, Tetenal
Cloths and Ink Jet Papers, VR, Wista, ZTS www.hpmarketingcorp.com








Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001

From: Isaac Crawford [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: 6X7 slide projector?



Rick Rieger wrote:



> Check out the Pro Cabin 6x7 projector.  B&H sells it.  It does a nice  job,
> but is completely manual and is way overpriced.  I have one and like it,
> except when I look at the bill of sale.  As far as I know, your only  other
> choices if you want to buy new are the Goetschmann projectors.  Really  nice,
> but in the pricing department they make the Pro Cabin look dirt cheap.
>
> Rick Rieger
> > Can someone give me some info on 6X7 slide projector? I have Pentax  6X7. I
> > am taking prints only because I do not have medium format slide  projector.
> > Can someone give me some suggestions on viewing slides for 6x7?






Check out this link for Russian projectors...




http://www.hartblei.com/products/projector.htm



They are only 6x6, so they won't help the original poster, but it might
help me!:-) Has anyone heard anything good, bad or ugly about these?



They look pretty simple, so I'd be amazed if they were that terrible...



Isaac







Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001

From: Bob Salomon [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: storage conainer for med format slides



Gepe makes dust proof, stacking transfer trays that hold 30 slides. They
are designed to put the slides directly into a standard 2 1/4 European
projection tray.



To do so put the slides in the Gepe tray right side up. Place the
projector tray on top of the open Gepe tray and turn the 2 upside down.
Now the slides are ready to be projected.



If you don't use them as transfer trays they are excellent storage trays.



They can be ordered from any camera store.



Gerry Pimpstat wrote:



> I have thousands of med format slides stored in shoe-boxes. Can anyone  turn
> me on to a web-site or dealer that would sell stackable storage  containers
> for these slides?
> Thanks in advance.









Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 

From: "Kevin Sperl" [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: Storing 120 chromes



I shoot 6x9(Fuji GW690). The ones I keep I mount in Bair slide mounts 
http://www.tssphoto.com/ leaving the film in the sleeve and then put the 
mounted transparency in 4x5 plastic sheets. I can put 4 per sheet and 
then into a 3 ring binder they go.






From: [email protected]

Subject: Re: Illumitran slide duping model differences?

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm

Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001



I'm not sure, but I think the 3S has a contrast reduction feature. I have
one but couldn't immediatedly find the instructions.



The contrast reduction feature is basically a sheet of glass placed above
the slide and at 45 degrees. There is a second electronic flash with a
filter holder that sends a burst of light to the glass during the
exposure. This has the effect of reducing the contrast of the film. You
can control the intensity of this flash.



Ray



Jsprang [email protected] wrote:



: I am in the process of tracking down and purchasing a used Bowens  Illumitran
: unit for the purpose of duping original 35mm slides, and making  internegs.
: Does anyone on the group know what the differences are (other than the  color of
: the cases) between the model 3 and the Model 3S?
: I am guessing that the 3S might be voltage stabilized?
: TIA for any responses.
: -- Jeff









From Nikon Manual Mailing List;

  Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001

   From: William Gartin [email protected]

Subject: Re: Label Program



Guy Tal wrote:



> I'm pretty sure the labels can be printed out using any word processor.  My
> problem was finding labels small enough to fit on a slide. Anyone know
> where to get these?





You might try UAL (United Ad Label) at:


http://www.ualco.com/ExportPV/CATALOG.HTM



 I think Avery may make some specifically for slides:


http://www.avery.com/



And I think I've seen slide label formats in Word 98 for Mac. Otherwise, I
know Avery has downloadable formats.



 --

William Gartin [email protected]






From Nikon Manual Mailing List:

  Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 

   From: "Jonathan King" [email protected]

Subject: RE: Label Program




> >      I have seen commercial programs to make labels to attach
> to my slides, but does anyone know of a freeware program that
> does this, including the copyright symbol?  To keep from going
> off topic, the slides were made with my Nikon MF cameras.





Free, & Nikon related!



look at http://web.mit.edu/cai/www/nikon/slidelabel.html



On the plus side,


   - lots of symbols & slide info


   - hooks into an ascii database (meant for N90 + Nikon SW,
      but easily adaptable to any database.



Downsides:


 - C++ source code!!!!!



In the past, I modified it and used it on Unix systems.  A friend
compiled and used it on Windows NT with a bit of effort, and
we used an Excel spreadsheet to enter the data( we were using
F3/FM2).  I guess the N90 records exposure,modes... for each shot.



There are probably easier ways to do this if you want a standard
label, but if you have a detailed database, this is a good start.







From Nikon MF Mailing List:

  Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 

   From: "A. J. Somerset" [email protected]
Subject: Re: Label Program



> I'm pretty sure the labels can be printed out using any word processor. My
> problem was finding labels small enough to fit on a slide. Anyone know
> where to get these?





Avery 8167 fills (completely) the large edge of a slide mount.



Andrew







Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 

To: [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: 6x17 Slide Projector



well, you can use a different light "head" on the enlarger; some folks
have even just blasted direct light from a regular slide projector thru
some condensor setup with a piece of IR blocking glass, and used the
enlarger bellows for focusing...



personally, there are enough bad or busted 5x7" enlargers out there
gathering dust that you could get one at modest expense for parts etc.
sort of depends on what you want to do with it, size of room etc.



you can get a very cheap but relatively fast lens from a photocopier
surplus machine, easily cover 8x10", relatively sharp, for $10 (no iris)
from many surplus shops online



in any case, please feel free to share your successes with us ;-) bobm







Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001

From: Javerette [email protected]

To: "'[email protected]'" [email protected]

Subject: Dear Sir,



May I briefly introduce my company and our products? We make ARCHIVAL
sleeving for pro-film labs/processors and manufacture POLYPROPYLENE rolls
in the U.K. We make ARCHIVAL E6 sleeving using a unique process bonding
two different plastics together to form an ANTI-STATIC sleeve.We have been
established almost 40 YEARS, our M.D.is himself a photographer, therefore
we produce only top quality sleeving.(We also do a lot of contract
manufacturing for other sleeving companies.) I can send samples should you
want to see our products - also we have a website = www.photosleeves.com



 Call me free 0800 389 7579 in UK (44 1293 771020 fax 44 1293 821011
elsewhere) And let me know what you needs and wants are - if anything -
and I will be pleased to speak to you, 


Best wishes,



Chris Fairbrother-Dare

Javerette ltd.







rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

From: [email protected] (Lih Family)

Date: Sat Apr 28 2001

[1] Re: Rollei P11 question



This is very coomon on P11 if it's not used for quite a while. Not really
a big deal. I fixed it for my P11 by oil-ing on the changer's gear. I'm
not sure if what I did would be the best way, but it works without problem
for three years already. 


If you want to try my way, do this:


1. Open the top of the housing (unscrew you know what).


2. Search for the gears of the changer.


3. Add few drops of oil to thegear.


4. Push the slide change button, let it back and force until
    it becomes smooth.


5. pack it back.







From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Wed, 16 May 2001

From: Bill Barton [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] Re:



Andrei,



You can special order glassless slide mounts from Wess in NY or get
a/n glass mounts from Gepe part #2603 22x54mm These will both fit in
a standard Rollei 6x6 slide tray.....I have the mounts and a non-working
P-11 at this time, it needs a good CLA



Bill   Fairfax City, we should get together for a drink sometime....






From Medium Format Mailing List:

Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001

From: Stan McQueen [email protected]

Subject: Re: [medium-format] slide mounts for 2 1/4 "



Try The Stock Solution in Salt Lake City (www.tssphoto.com). They have
mounts for all sizes. I just ordered a sample kit (FREE!) for my 6x7
Koni-Omega trannies.



Stan


...







From: "Max Perl" [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 

Subject: Re: A good slide projector for 6x7 - is there such a thing?



The G67P is very good. It is pure manual.....but the quality is exellent.
You can also get it in a automatic version......but then the price is a
lot higher. 


You can get adapters for 6x6 and 24x36. Have a look at: 


http://www.goetschmann.de/



Max







From Rollei Mailing List:

Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001

From: "John A. Lind" [email protected]

Subject: Re: [Rollei] Kodachrome 25 discontinued



Roger Wiser wrote:



 >Personally, as an amateur, my interest is in slides but viewing them  inspires
>less enthusiasm by others than it did about  25 years ago.





What has been lost (was it ever truly found to begin with ??) is the "art"
of giving a slide show.  I still give them at family gatherings and the
"WOW" factor is there with slow chromes.



What's required for success?


1.  An excellent projector lens!!!  One that can put a sharp image on the
screen.  Think of it as the reverse of a camera wherein the lens is most
important.  Lens speed helps.  Mine is an f/2.8 and it is much better than
an f/3.5 for image brightness.



2.  A good, large screen.  White matte has worked best for me (retains
sharpness of a projected image), and 50" to 60" fills the end of a room.



3.  Proper setup to avoid too much keystoning of the projected image.  One
of the most common technical faults is not mounting the projector high
enough and the entire image cannot be focused properly.



4.  Selected slides relevant to the audience.  Pictures of them, places
they've been, things they've done, etc.  My solo trip to Elbonia would be
boring unless something very newsworthy happened or someone very famous
was in one of the photos.  I shoot lots of film and carefully select 1/4th
or less of all the relevant slides for projection.  Only the best ones
make it to the projector. 


5.  At least 1/2, preferably 2/3 of the show is fresh material they have
not seen before; usually of the last gathering at which most were present.



Many older home screens are 40" glass bead in fair to poor condition.  
These inherently don't do much for image sharpness and most have lost
quite a bit of their reflectance from when they were new.  Many older home
projectors don't have a decent lens on them.  Not too noticeable if the
camera optics weren't the greatest or with fast chrome film.  With slow
chromes and fine camera lenses, this makes a huge difference. 


-- John







Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001

From: "Rick Rieger" [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: Cabin 6X7 slide projector




I own this projector.  It is easy to use.  As for the single slide drop in
tray, I would advise not using it.  Instead, get one or more of the
optional push-pull holders.  With the drop in tray, you will have a blank
white screen between each slide, and this is very annoying.  Also, the
drop in tray works for 6x7 mounted slides only (85x85mm), whereas the
holders are available for 6x6/645 and 35mm if desired.  I do not have the
holder for unmounted 120 slides, but it seems to me that this is a risky
proposition since your slides would be so vulnerable to damage. 


Rick Rieger








Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001

To: [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: 6x17 Slide Projector



well, you can use a different light "head" on the enlarger; some folks
have even just blasted direct light from a regular slide projector thru
some condensor setup with a piece of IR blocking glass, and used the
enlarger bellows for focusing...



personally, there are enough bad or busted 5x7" enlargers out there
gathering dust that you could get one at modest expense for parts etc.
sort of depends on what you want to do with it, size of room etc.



you can get a very cheap but relatively fast lens from a photocopier
surplus machine, easily cover 8x10", relatively sharp, for $10 (no iris)
from many surplus shops online



in any case, please feel free to share your successes with us ;-) bobm







Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001

From: "Nicholas O. Lindan" [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: Problem with the Procabin 67Z projector




San yuan wrote:



> Hi:
> My brother in England sent me a gift of this projector.  However, it is adapted
> to the 220v rather than the 120v accustomed in the States....





See if there is a 110/220 switch


-or-



Open the projector and see if there is a 110/220 jumper at the transformer



-or-



Contact Mamiya America for advice



-or-



For a 110->220 transformer see newark.com and/or search the web for
surplus electronics dealers.  An 1:2 step up autotransformer is
what you need.  Size the transformer to be 20-50% larger than the
nameplate power draw on the projector.



--

Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio  [email protected]







Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 

From: "Rick Rieger" [email protected]

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format

Subject: Re: Cabin 6x7cm was Re: A good slide projector for 6x7



 I have one of the Cabin projectors.



This projector will do 6x7 (one at a time with a white screen between
slides).  It will also do 6x6, 6x4.5 and 35mm (2x2 inch) with optional
carriers.  There is also a carrier for 6x7.  All of these carriers avoid a
white screen between slides.  The 150mm lens is good and brightness is
quite adequate for a 10 or 12 foot wide screen.  This projector is
completely manual.  It reminds me of my dad's 1940s Kodak Kodascope.  
It's a good buy at $400 or so, a ripoff at Mamiya USA's price.  However,
it seems inexpensive even at Mamiya's inflated prices when compared to the
Goetschmann units. 


Rick Rieger



"Robert Monaghan" [email protected] wrote 



> also look into the cabin 6x7cm projector (also manual) - about $400 USD
> new from overseas, about $1,400 USD in USA with Mamiya/USA warranty  (new)








From Hasselblad Mailing List;

Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001

From: Marc James Small [email protected]

Subject: MF Slide Projectors



Sharookh Mehta wrote:



>   I wish to buy a new 6x6 projector and cannot get myself to  fork out  for
>the Hassie....just too expensive. Can anyone recommend an  inexpensive
>alternative?? Does Mamiya have some thing like this?? I am also
>contemplating getting my slides scanned and then projecting them  .....image
> deterioration??? Any ideas?? Sharookh





I use a Kiev 66.  Bare-bones cheap, when they can be found.  Mechanicals
like an early Fordson Tractor.  But optically quite nice and useable.  If
I did any sort of public shows, the Kiev would be too unsophisticated but,
for its purpose, is most suitable. 


Marc

[email protected] 







Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 

Newsgroups:  rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.misc,rec.photo.technique.nature

From: Liz [email protected]

Subject: Re: Slide Management Software



"Michael E. Gordon" [email protected] wrote:




> I am considering purchasing the NSCS Pro software http://nscspro.com/.





And this is a nice example of what I think website should be.
Of course, it exists to promote and sell its product, but it has "added
value", in this case, hints about captioning and filing slides.
Exactly what the Nature's Best website doesn't seem to have.



Liz



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Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 
To: [email protected]
From: Matthew Phillips [email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Slide Labeling


Jan,

Avery labels are fine for office applications, but aren't suitable for
slides. The adhesive deteriorates over time, isn't archival, and wicks out
from under the label as it is subjected to heat, which can potentially
damage your chromes. The art school's slide library at the university were
I work instead uses a label that is made especialy for slide mounts - since
I duplicate many of the slides they send to us, I've seen these over time,
and they seem to hold up well. I'm not sure if they're the same brand as
those sold by Light Impressions, but that company is one that I have high
regard for as a supplier archival storage supplies. Light Impressions sell
dedicated slide labels for pin-fed, laser and ink-jet printers, as well as
labeling software in PC or Mac formats. Their contact info is:

www.lightimpressionsdirect.com

1-800-828-6216

Regards,
M.Phillips

>What do people on this list use to label their slides.  I am tired of
>handwriting the information on my slides. Ity often consits of date,
>serial number, title, technical data.
>  I have FileMaker on my Macintosh as a database program.
>  Are there small Avery labels that would not peel
>over time from my slides and can they be used in an inkjet or laser
>printer?  What about one of those dedicated label printers (Dyno).  It
>would be nice at times to be able to just print a single label or a few
>rather than always a whole sheet.
>Than there is the issue of labels for 35mm and 6x6 slides...
>Any suggestions are appreciated.
>Jan




From: [email protected]
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Slide Labeling

Jan Decher [email protected]> said:

>  I have FileMaker on my Macintosh as a database program.
>  Are there small Avery labels that would not peel
>over time from my slides and can they be used in an inkjet or laser
>printer?  

Avery L7656 or 8167

What about one of those dedicated label printers (Dyno). 

Kind of clumsy, don't you think?

>Than there is the issue of labels for 35mm and 6x6 slides... 

The same Avery labels ought to work...

---------------------------------------------
les clark / edgewater, nj / usa
---------------------------------------------



Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 
From: rmonagha (Robert Monaghan)
To: rmonagha

Subject: Re: Kinderman repair
From: Bob Salomon [email protected]>
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 

imiphoto at [email protected] wrote 

> Anybody know where to get service and/or repair parts for MF Kinderman
> projectors?  Thanks in advance.  David.
> 

The American distributor is Argraph. Canadian is Kinderman.
HP Marketing Corp. 800 735-4373     www.hpmarketingcorp.com
US distributor for: Ansmann, Braun, CombiPlan-T, DF Albums, Ergorest, Gepe,
Gepe-Pro, Giottos, Heliopan, Kaiser, Kopho, Linhof, Novoflex, Rimowa,
Rodenstock, Sirostar, Tetenal ink Jet Papers and cleaning cloths, VR Frames,
Vue-All archival film, slide and page protectors, Wista, ZTS 




Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 
Subject: Re: [Rollei] WTB: 2.25" X 2.25" Slide Viewer.
From: Bob Shell [email protected]>
To: [email protected]>

[email protected] at [email protected] wrote:

> I want to buy a 2.25" x 2.25" (6cm x 6cm) slide viewer for Rollei TLR slides.
> Any one know where I can purchase this item? Please respond off list.
> 
> Thanks,
> Sam Anson
> 

Adorama sells a nice one under their own house brand name.  It uses "C"
Cells or an optional AC adapter.

Bob




Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 
To: [email protected]>
From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video [email protected]>
Subject: Re: 5 x 5 Print pages

you wrote:
>Also, does anyone know of a source for "super 35mm" slide mounts?

Gepe and Wess.  Most fully stocked photo stores should have (or be able to 
order) either.
--
regards,
Henry Posner
Director of Sales and Training
B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com



Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 
To: [email protected]
From: Marc James Small [email protected]>
Subject: Re: [HUG] PCP and Projecting Hasselblad Images

Elliot

I have a manual Kiev-66 projector and frequently project both Hasselblad
and Rolleiflex TLR slides.  (And, to be honest, an occasional chrome shot
with one of my Super Ikontas or Ikoflices will wander in, as well.)

I especially like projecting detail pictures of camera bodies and lenses
taken with a macro lens such as a Luminar or Photar.  Incredible detail
just slugs you in the eyes.

Marc

[email protected]  



From: [email protected] (Jtown2354)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: 22 Dec 2001 
Subject: Re: 120 Slides

Matt - I mount my 120 positives as "superslides" - substantially larger image
than 35mm, yet still works in a 35mm projector.  I use a Mamiya super -slide
cutter and super-slide mounts by Clark - these are made by Photo Plastics of
Santa Monica Ca.  There are benefits and disadvantages to using the
super-slides - your choice.

The disadvantage - the 120 positive is cut down to fit in the slide mounts
which gives an image size of 1.5" x 1.5" so the total area of the 120 neg is
not used.  But showing a 35mm slide and a super-slide of the same subject is
very informative - no-one looks at the 35mm slide.  The benefit - being able to
run the slides through a 35mm projector is a major benefit.

The cost? I do not recall what the cutter cost - but it might be $40 (give or
take) today and the slide mounts - well they are just a good quality plastic
slide mount.  In fact, you can easily develop your own 'chrome film in your own
kitchen and mount them yourself.



Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 120 Slides
From: Kyle Rhorer [email protected]>
Date: 21 Dec 2001 

"kauai82" [email protected]> wrote 
> I have just started to get into medium format. I shot some Fuji slide
> film set it off to A and I (in the USA) to be developed. Got it back in
> a roll of developed film. I expected to have it mounted like my 35mm
> slides. Is there a company that mounts the slides when the develop them
> like 35mm.

Ask yourself why you want them mounted.  Is it just because that's what 
you're used to?  If so, consider instead cutting them into strips and 
putting them in sleeves like you would with negatives.  Unless you have a 
medium format slide projector, the only reason I can think of to mount 
them would be to make filing easier.  If that's the case, consider 
individual archival pouches -- they're cheaper and less time consuming 
than slide mounts, and I've heard some publishers prefer unmounted 
transparencies.  Also check with your lab, they might prefer to have the 
transparencies unmounted if you want a type R print made.

I'm not saying that mounting medium format transparencies is bad, just 
that you should think about whether it is really what you want to do and 
why.

Kyle



From: "Rick Rieger" [email protected]>
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 6X7 Slide Mounts
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 

Try Wess Plastic, Inc. in Hauppauge, NY.  800-487-9377  or 516-231-6300.
I have used their IGA067 6x7 mounts with anti-newton glass with great
results on a Pro Cabin projector.  The last time I ordered, they were $24
per box of 20.  They also have a glassless version. The nice thing about
these mounts is their ease of use.  You can mount and unmount transparencies
with no ill effects on the transparencies.

Rick Rieger

"Bob Prichard" [email protected]> wrote 
> Can anyone recommend a good source for 6X7 slide mounts. I would like to
> experiment with several brands and types--glass and glassless, plastic and
> cardboard. Also, any reference materials on slide mounting. I recently
> bought a Mamiya projector and would like to mount some of my 6X7
> transparencies. Thanks.
>
> Bob Prichard




Subject: Re: re 120 slides
From: Bob [email protected]>
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 

[email protected] at
[email protected] wrote:

> I'm curious, what item # is that?  And did you find it at the Gepe site or the
> B&H site?
> 
> kauai82 wrote:
> 
>> Gepe (http://www.gepe.com) will sell you all the stuff you need to do it

Actually they won't that is headquarters of Gepe Management in Switzerland.
They do not sell at retail. They sell by container loads to their
distributors and subsidiaries.
They will forward it to us (the Gepe subsidiary in the US as you would see
on their web page) and we will direct you to a camera store.

6x6 glass is 452601, 645 glass is 452501, 67 glass is 452701. Then we have
glassless versions as well as versions for use in presentation mattes.

We also have cutters that cuts 120/220/70mm to fit properly in 4x4cm, 645
cm, 6x6cm and 6x7cm mounts. There are 4 different versions of the cutter.

Lastly we have the Gepe-Pro Medium Format slide viewer for any format from
35mm to 6x17cm. It accepts up to 9" of film or mounted slides, has a 2x
glass lens that slides over the 9" illuminated area. Is 5000K �270K, folds
for storage and fits into the included case. Runs on 6 AA cells or an
optional AC adapter and has a MSRP of $69.95.

HP Marketing Corp. 800 735-4373 US distributor for: Ansmann, Braun,
CombiPlan, DF Albums, Ergorest, Gepe, Gepe-Pro, Giottos, Heliopan, Kaiser,
Kopho, Linhof, Novoflex, Pro-Release, Rimowa, Sirostar, Tetenal Cloths and
Ink Jet Papers, VR, Vue-All archival negative, slide and print protectors,
Wista, ZTS www.hpmarketingcorp.com



From nikon mailing list:
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001
To: [email protected]
From: Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video [email protected]>
Subject: [Nikon] Re: film v digital

you wrote:
>I've not met a consumer who projects slides in the past 15  years.  I've
>met a hand full of hobbyists who do, and professionals don't project, they
>use light tables.

Here's an unscientific poll. Since January 1st, we've sold 370 Kodak 4600
projectors. Someone's projecting something., and I didn't count all the
other models/brands we sold, nor the thousands of people using projectors
they bought before 01/01/01.

--
regards,
Henry Posner
Director of Sales and Training
B&H Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com



from russian camera mailing list:
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 
From: Bob Shell [email protected]
Subject: Re: Re: OT Projection technology

> From: "alex_s2" [email protected]
> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [russiancamera] Re: OT Projection technology
>
>
> I know some projector can adjust for Keystone effect(trapezoid).
> Look for that feature.
>
> I have not seen one that can adjust from side to side. say if you put
> the projector on the side of the room.



The medium format Gottschmann projectors I use for my seminars have
a lens mount that allows the lens to be shifted in any direction.  You use
the side to side movement when working with multiple projectors so the
slides line up perfectly on the screen from all projectors. It takes
a while to set them up, but the resulting super smooth fades are worth the
effort!

Bob



Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 
Subject: Re: [Cameramakers] building a medium format slide projector
From: Robert Mayrand [email protected]>
To: Camera Makers Mailing List

Hi Mark,

I tought about building one, but the cost of the socket, heat glass, lamp
and lens alone will probably exceed the cost of one you'll find on ebay!  
I once own a tdc duo, you should be able to get one from ebay at a very
affordable price, the only flaw of the design is that it's a one slide
at a time thing, no tray. Building one will probably cost you more than
that.  If you want a little more for your money the next best thing is a
bausch & lomb balomatic 755-756 series one is automatic the other
manual, they take tray....but those are really hard to find. I got one and
I'm always short o= f tray. I got my balomatic on ebay for 9.99$ and
even with the 30$ shipping i= t came quite cheap, I must admit I was quite
lucky! Now those are selling for a lot more but I think there is one right
now in the 39$ price range.  Expec= t to pay at least 10$ per tray!

After that you=B9ll have to go with the big guys Kindermann or rollei 66
or p11 but expect to pay 250$ to 400$. And if you think you can build one
with a good lens like this be aware that the lens alone often sells for as
much as the projector, even used one!


Robert
Mtl, Quebec

 "Mark Blackwell" [email protected] wrote:

> Anyone ever build a medium format slide projector?  It really seems that those
> available are either so expensive or so simple looking that it really shouldnt
> be that hard to build a bettter one.  How did you do it?  Thanks
> =20
> Mark Blackwell
> http://www.aviatorsonestop.com




From: [email protected] (Richard Knoppow)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: Re: 8"x10" Slide Projectors?
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002


[email protected] (RWilkin440) wrote:

>Anybody know what was/is made for projecting 8" x 10" transparencies? I have
>heard there was a unit named "Titan." Sources?

  Never heard of the Titan but you can project large transparencies
with an overhead projector.
---
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA.
[email protected]




From: [email protected] (FOR7)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: 19 Mar 2002 
Subject: Re: Boy, there seems to be a Hasselblad boon here

>Honestly I wasn't THAT impressed with projected med format slides. From a
>normal viewing distance and a normal sized home screen there wasn't THAT
>much difference between them and my 35mm slides. I have made some "super
>slides" to throw in between 35mm slides but I wouldn't shoot med format
>just for that.
>
>stephe
>http://www.geocities.com/kievgurl/


You must not be impressed by watching an IMAX movie then. There is no
comparison in a 35mm slide and Medium slie projected. The difference is
startling.

E.T.
[email protected]




From: Yosarian [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 120 Transparencies
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002

...
>I would like to know if there is any way to project 120 roll film slides
>like u do with 35mm slides? If so then does anyone know how makes projectors
>for this.
...


http://www.hartblei.com/products/projector.htm

http://www.hartblei.com/products/pricelist.htm

Kiev 66 Universal $190.00
Kiev 66 Automat e-mail




rec.photo.equipment.large-format 
From: [email protected] (Edward Clayton)
[1] Re: slide projector, medium 6x7, look good?
Date: Sun Apr 28 2002

They are very good and very expensive and I could tell the difference
between 6x6 and 35mm...not at 25 ft viewing distance, but at 12ft
viewing distance I was almost knocked out of my chair the difference
is that noticeable...

Ed




rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
From: [email protected] (Denny)
[1] Re: slide projector 
Date: Mon Apr 29 2002

I have done MF color slides for 40 years... I have one warning... DO
NOT LOOK at the screen when they are projected...  It tends to cause
depression, dysphoria, and the selling off of ones expensive 35mm gear
to purchase more MF gear...

Denny




rec.photo.equipment.medium-format 
From: [email protected] (EDGY01)
Date: Mon Apr 29 13:19:58 CDT 2002
[1] Re: slide projector

 Has anyone seen a medium format slide projector in operation?
How did the slides look?  Did they alot better than 35mm? 


I have a Rollei P66S for 2-1/4 slides.  I use it with the special zoom optics
by Schneider.  Incredible.  It's apparent why so many professionals use 2-1/4
after you see a slide show of comparable content (to 35mm) images.  There is no
comparison in sharpness.

Dan Lindsay
Santa Barbara





From: "Q.G. de Bakker" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 120 Transparencies
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 


Joe Schimpanzi wrote:
>    There are 120 size slide projectors out there, but they cost quite a bit.
> Rollei and Hasselblad both make 120 projectors, as well as Cabin (Mamiya).
> Robert White lists them, starting at 689 Pounds.  You might want to check
> eBay.

Hasselblad doesn't sell projectors any more. They can't: the company that
made these for them went belly up. There's just too litle demand for
projectors of the non-digital kind.

G�tschmann too make very good projectors. They are very expensive though.
But then, so were the Hasselblad projectors.





From: [email protected] (Willem-Jan Markerink)
Newsgroups:
rec.photo.equipment.medium-format,rec.photo.equipment.misc,rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: UK importers for Cabin 67Z projector?
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 02 

  "Simon Brown" [email protected] wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone know of anyone importing the Cabin 67Z projector in the UK?  I
>believe Mamiya distribute in the US, but i can't find anywhere doing it in
>the UK.
>
>Failing that, can anyone suggest any projector capable of projecting up to
>6x7cm slides that's available in the UK?
>
>Thanks
>
>Simon

Check my homepage for a list of medium- & large-format slide projectors:

http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/proj_667.htm
(and more on some specific projectors from /mainpage.htm)

--
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink
[email protected]
[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]




Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 
From: Sven Keller [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Rollei] Rollei P66S Repairs

I had that failure mode on a Rollei 35mm projector and if I'm
not wrong, the basic layout of all Rollei projectors
of this age is the same (excluding the Rolleivision). So
maybe this helps:

The slide transport is triggered by a solenoid that engages a
clutch. The clutch then stays engaged for one turn, i.e. one
slide transport. After letting go the transport button on the
remote control the solenoid is released and the clutch is
pulled back by a spring. In my case the clutch operation was
a little stiff and the spring could not pull the clutch back -
 it stayed engaged for another turn and another and another...

Watch out for a solenoid operating when pushing the transport
button and check what happens when the solenoid is released.

Do not touch any of the funny-coloured cables inside the
projector when it is working...

Sven

---- Original message ----
>Datum: Tue, 14 May 2002 
>Von: Siu Fai [email protected]
>Betreff: RE: [Rollei] Rollei P66S Repairs
>An: [email protected]
>
>> I have recently been given a P66S projector. The Transport mechanism
>> was faulty, which I've repaired, but when it is plugged in and
>> switched on it constantly runs, slides are constantly pushed through
>> the machine. Does anyone know of the potential cause or ideas for diy
>> repairs.
>
>
>You're sure you're not using the timer on the remote, right?
>
>There may be a short-circuit somewhere and I can see three potential points
>which can cause the problems that may be fixed easily:
>- the green advance knob
>- remote connector or the remote itself
>- the electronic switch that starts the transport
>
>Sorry, I can't help you with further trouble shooting/dissembling since I
>haven't had trouble with mine yet.
>
>HTH,
>
>Siu Fai




From: [email protected] (Richard Knoppow)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: Re: 4x5 enlarger as projector?
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002


"Greg" [email protected] wrote:
>Has anyone ever set up a condenser enlarger to project trannies?  As 4x5
>projectors are a bit thin on the ground I was wondering what others may have
>done.
>Just asking

 I've sort of tried it. The problem is that the lamps in enlargers
are usually too low in wattage and enlarging lenses too slow. A camera
lens would work better for projection. A larger lamp can be used but
there will be a heat problem. A sheet of heat absorbing glass would
help. Other than these two I think is probably practical if you don't
expect a really bright image.
---
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA.
[email protected]






From: "Tom" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: MF slide projectors---homebuilt?
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 


"Jefro" [email protected] wrote 
> Does anyone have any plans for a home-brew MF slide projector?  The real
> ones are prohibitively pricey.  It couldn't be that tough to make one.

Before you get wrapped around the axle trying to kludge
something up with string and mirrors, go here:

http://www.hartblei.com/products/projector.htm

I do not think you can possibly make one for $190.00

Hartblei is a reputable company.

Tom




From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 
From: Siu Fai [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Rollei] [off-topic] 6x6 projection lens diameter, Kindermann ???

> A question for those who know about Kindermann 6x6 slide projectors.

Try here:
http://www.kindermann.de/english_new/kontakt.html

They should know the diameter and what lenses are available.

Siu Fai




From rollei mailing list:
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Rollei] [off-topic] 6x6 projection lens diameter, Kindermann ???

> The lens on my Liesegang Fantax 600 has a barrel outside diameter of
> 52.3mm. The thread is 2.9mm wide, 1.2mm deep, with a pitch of
> 12.3mm. All approximate, I don't have proper tools to measure the
> threads. Richard -- Richard Urmonas [email protected]

Thank you very much, Richard. It means that I could use a Kindermann
lens like yours with a barrel of 52.3mm on my old SFOM (barrel = 68mm)
provided that a machinist makes a step-up ring for that. On my SFOM I
already have such a step-up ring to accommodate "standard" 42.5 mm
lenses for 35 mm projection. BTW I am quite sure that a 'long' 150 mm
Schneider for 35 mm projection in 42.5mm barrel could peform honestly
up to the 645 format, if not 6x6...


And yes, for purists, with a 90mm lens for projecing 35mm slides on my
old 6x6 projector, the illumination is not optimized for many
reasons... including the fact that the condensor lens should be of a
stronger power to image the filament within the lens at ~ 90 mm from
the slide and not ~ 150mm. The (now discontinued) 6x6 Hasselblad
projector provided this refinement (alse related to the top-class
built-in shift capability) of additional condensor lenses matched to
each projection focal length... at a nominal cost (outch)....

BTW back to Rollei contents : I do not know how Rollei does the 35mm /
6x6 illmuination optimisation, etc... on the 66 dual-P.

--
Emmanuel BIGLER
[email protected]




From: "Jeffery S. Harrison" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: medium format sucks
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002


There is (were?) a couple of 6x7 slide projectors available -- I don't think
any of them are cheap (mine is a Cabin projector and cost about $1000 new).
Was the loupe you were using a good loupe or a cheapy loupe? I was always
unimpressed with my slides when viewed through a loupe until I broke down
and bought a good one. What used to be mediocre slide suddenly became
outstanding -- it's amazing what truly good optics does for photography :-)

There really is a significant difference visible in image quality between
medium format and 35mm in any size print or slide. The picture that sold me
was literally the first shot out of a brand new Mamiya RZ67 with the
standard 110mm lens that came with it. It was just a football sitting in the
grass shot hand-held using the waist level finder for focusing. I dropped
the film off to get 1-hour processing and 4x5 prints just to see how things
checked out and was absolutely amazed by what I saw. I'd always heard how
great medium format was for larger prints and how there was little or no
difference in the smaller prints (5x7 and smaller) between 35mm and medium
format. This picture was noticeably better (in all aspects) than anything
I'd ever gotten out of any of my Nikons using the same film (in this case I
believe it was Portra 160NC).

Jeffery S. Harrison
...




From panoramic mailing list:

Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:06:21 -0400
From: Ted Baker 
Reply to: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Projecting Xpan Images

> Anybody here project Xpan slides?  I can know which
> projector to use.

You need a 6x7 projector due to the long dimension of the XPan panoramic
frame, which is the same size as the 35mm Noblex frame & the 35mm panoramic
adaptor for the (normally 6x7) Mamiya 67 II.  I'm aware of only 2 brands of
6x7 projectors currently being sold:  Pro Cabin and Goetschmann.  Mamiya
sells both of them & you can see them at:

http://www.mamiya.com/products.asp?id=1&id2=174

As you might imagine, they do not come cheap.  I bought a Pro Cabin
projector last year during a Mamiya promo sale & got it for a bit under
$1100.  It's very solid, will outlast me for sure & I have been very pleased
with it.  I got it with the 150mm lens, which works fine unless you have a
very long room or a small screen, in which case the 200mm lens might suit
better.  It's a manual projector & comes with only a 100mm-wide drop-in
slot, so I also bought the #601-421 6x7cm carrier as well.  It's still
manual, of course, but far easier to use.  This carrier takes slide mounts
that are 85mm square.

Regarding the Goetschmann projectors, as I recall they cost somewhere north
of $2K and (I'm told) very well made.  They have a wide variety of lenses
available.

Mounts for XPan transparencies are available from:

TSS Photo, part#35mhn (in white) or #35mhnB (in black) at:
http://www.tssphoto.com/sp/35mhn.html
I have used lots of these cardboard glassless foldover mounts & have been
very pleased with them with only 1 exception:  for reasons unknown to me
they are 3.5" square after mounting & thus must be trimmed down to 85mm
square to fit the 6x7cm carrier on the Pro Cabin projector.  I use a
standard guillotine in my office that cuts the mounts well.  These mounts
are reasonably priced.

Gepe, part#2702 at:
http://www.keytechnology.ch/gepe/fs_productlist.asp?Country=181&Language=1
These are high-end plastic mounts with glass & cost me about $23 for a box
of 10 mounts.  I haven't tried them yet but they at least are already 85mm
square.

Mamiya also makes cardboard glassless foldover mounts for the Pro Cabin
projector.  I bought a box of them last year but at the moment I can't find
the part#.  In any case, the mounts are a strange 80mm x 100mm after
mounting & that size is suitable only for use in the Pro Cabin projector
when using the drop in slot.  You also can't use them for verticals in that
format.

Most folks have never seen a panoramic slide projected & I found that in the
2 slide shows that I've given with XPan slides that the reaction of the
viewers is quite positive.  It seems to take most of them a longer to
process the images than with normal format 35mm slides & thus I suggest
showing fewer slides than you otherwise might.

Regards,
Ted




from panoramic mailing list:
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 
From: Gary [email protected]
Subject: RE: Xpan Image management

A company call Javerette in the UK make black card mounts (and sleeves)
for XPan format.

I think these mounts are compatible with several other display and
filing systems (Kenro and Panodia) so you can display shots on a variety
of formats in a single system.

http://www.photosleeves.com/productsp3.htm

Gary




[Ed. note: see Anamorphic Lens Pages for more ideas...]
From panoramic-L mailing list:
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 
From: Danny Vint [email protected]
Subject: Re: Projecting Xpan Images

I haven't seen a projector for XPan images, but I have seen a custom setup
where a guy used anamorphic lenses on his camera and the complimentary lens
on the projector to achieve the same size and proportions of an XPan image.
His images were on standard 35mm frames and slide mounts. This is
esentially how the wide screen images are created for the movies.

His arrange was great because he was using twin projectors to create
widescreen stereo images on a custom built screen. The lenses were
expensive and hard to get a hold of.

..dan




From: "Q.G. de Bakker" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: G�tschmann G 67  Projectors
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 


Rod wrote:

> In particular - focal length of lens

They don't have particulars on their website. There is a choice though,
ranging form "wide angle" up to 400 mm.

As you will know, the focal length you need is easily determined: it is the
same focal length you need to put on your camera to fill the frame with the
projection screen, standing where the projector will go.

> and option for dimming lamp (It will
> mostly be used in a smallish room)

Hmm... Maybe G�tschmanns aren't what you're looking for: 3000 Lumen, and up?
;-)
You can indeed use a dimmer, that is, with the 67.

> Don't think I need to ask any questions about quality of Schneider lenses.

Don't think so, no ;-)

> Differences between G 67 & G67P which make a significant difference in
> price.

The 67 has a 1000 W halogen, mains voltage (250 V) lamp. No transformer
required. Produces 3000 Lumen.
The 67P has double the output, 6000 Lumen, using a 400 W, but lower voltage
halogen lamp.

Anway, i find the text on their site isn't saying very much. Perhaps it
would be best to send them an email requesting further information.




From: "Max Perl" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: G�tschmann G 67  Projectors
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002

"Rod" [email protected] skrev...
> Anybody know where there's any info on them in English. What I can get from
> the German website looks good but I can't get all the detail with my grasp
> of German.
> I'm looking for a good basic 6x7 projector available in the UK - don't want
> bells and whistles but I do want excellent optical/mechanical performance.
>
> Thanks
>
> Rod


Hi Rod,

I have "pasted" the response to a question I sent to G�tschmann about the 67
projectors.
Maybey you can use some of it:

**********
 Dear Mr. Perl,
you are right. It seems illogical, that the 400W projector is brighter than
the 1000W device.
The 400W Lamp has a rather small filament. In cause of this fact we could
design a very efficient condensor system.
You can order the G 67P or G 67 with 6x6 and 24x36 carrier.
One carrier is included in the price.
The light output is:

6x7:     6000 Lumen
6x6:     4000 Lumen
24x36:   1500 Lumen


Best regards
Heidi G�tschmann

***********

I ended up buying a Rollie P66 dual, because I use 6x6 and 24x36.

Max




From: Rich Shepard [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: How do you store your 120 negs?
Date: 19 Sep 2002

mfohl wrote:

> Hi Gene, I store mine in clear plastic "negative pages".  Cut the film into 4
> strips of 3; each page stores all 4 strips, thereby giving one page per roll.
> Then put the pages into a commercially available 3-ring binder.  Brand names of
> the pages are "NegaVue" and "ClearVue" if I remember correctly.  The are
> available mail order from New York, or from your local camera shop.

  I use the same system and another benefit is making an 8.5"x11" contact
print without removing the negatives from the page. Your information written
on the edge of the negative storage page prints on the contact sheet, too.
If you want to spend the extra money, you can get sheets that hold the
negatives on one side and the contact sheet on the other. I use two separate
ones.

Rich





From: [email protected] (John Eyles)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: How do you store your 120 negs?
Date: 19 Sep 2002


Yes, get PrintFile products, from somewhere like B&H.

I got the 120-4B pages, which hold an entire roll of 120
film (as 8 6x9's in my case).  If your format doesn't allow
the roll to be cut into 4 sections, then you'll want the other
version that holds 3 strips, vertically.

Then get their WorkBox, which is a plastic box incorporating
a 3-ring binder.  The box seals up to keep you film nice and
clean !   Very compact too.

The workbox is about $10, and 100 pages are $25 or so.  So this
won't break the bank !

John





From: [email protected] (John Eyles)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: How do you store your 120 negs?
Date: 19 Sep 2002


You'll also want a numbering system.  I use XX-YYY-ZZ,
where XX is the year, YYY is the roll number (that year),
and ZZ is the shot number.  Obviously you can change the
length of the YYY field (if you know you won't shoot
more than 99 rolls a year, or you might shoot more than
999) or the ZZ field (if you only shoot 6x9 and never use
220 film, for example).

Other people, who do more shooting than me, may have fields
describing month or even day, and number the rolls within each
day.

I'd also recommend keeping all formats you shoot within one
unified numbering scheme.

I then have a Microsoft Word file (one per year), which is
simply one gigundous "table", with info about each roll.
At the bottom is a list of "keeper" shots, with an English
language description of each, e.g.:
    0201103 - Moab view from Lasal Loop Rd (Provia).

This all sounds pretty anal, but without such a scheme
you'll rapidly loss your mind, if you do much shooting !

John


>Yes, get PrintFile products, from somewhere like B&H.

>>What are your recommendations / methods for storing 120 negs?




From: [email protected] (Joe Foto)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: How do you store your 120 negs?
Date: 20 Sep 2002


I use a numbering system similar to yours. For MF an example would be:

09-07-02-120-01-11. This translates as: Sep 7th, 2002, 120 roll, 1st
roll of that day, and 11th frame from that roll.

For 35mm it might be: 09-07-02-CNTX-01-11 OR 09-07-02-N90-01-11. Same
info except it describes which camera was used, either the Contax G or
Nikon N90s.

I also store my negs in the plastic sleeves, and mark each sleeve with
the above information. I do have the sleeves which hold a contact
sheet, but rarely make one any more, so I'll just rip off that little
piece of plastic.

Everything gets stored in the sealed binders, one for each format (35,
120, LF), EXCEPT the Contax & Rolleiflex negs go into a special
"Zeiss" binder.

JF


[email protected] (John Eyles) wrote 
> You'll also want a numbering system.  I use XX-YYY-ZZ,
> where XX is the year, YYY is the roll number (that year),
> and ZZ is the shot number.  Obviously you can change the
> length of the YYY field (if you know you won't shoot
> more than 99 rolls a year, or you might shoot more than
> 999) or the ZZ field (if you only shoot 6x9 and never use
> 220 film, for example).
>
> Other people, who do more shooting than me, may have fields
> describing month or even day, and number the rolls within each
> day.
>
> I'd also recommend keeping all formats you shoot within one
> unified numbering scheme.
>
> I then have a Microsoft Word file (one per year), which is
> simply one gigundous "table", with info about each roll.
> At the bottom is a list of "keeper" shots, with an English
> language description of each, e.g.:
>     0201103 - Moab view from Lasal Loop Rd (Provia).
>
> This all sounds pretty anal, but without such a scheme
> you'll rapidly loss your mind, if you do much shooting !
>
> John
>
>
> >Yes, get PrintFile products, from somewhere like B&H.
>
> >>What are your recommendations / methods for storing 120 negs?





From: [email protected] (PeterZiminski)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: How do you store your 120 negs?
Date: 20 Sep 2002


To keep track of your images, check out a free demo of PhotoLibrary at
http://www.PhotoLibrarySoftware.com

and the Open Directory which has a list of Image Management Software at
http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Graphics/Software/Image_Cataloguing/

Pete




From: [email protected] (Steve Gombosi)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: How do you store your 120 negs?
Date: 19 Sep 2002

John Eyles  wrote:
>Yes, get PrintFile products, from somewhere like B&H.
>
>I got the 120-4B pages, which hold an entire roll of 120
>film (as 8 6x9's in my case).  If your format doesn't allow
>the roll to be cut into 4 sections, then you'll want the other
>version that holds 3 strips, vertically.
>
>Then get their WorkBox, which is a plastic box incorporating
>a 3-ring binder.  The box seals up to keep you film nice and
>clean !   Very compact too.

An excellent recommendation.

The WorkBox and other PrintFile binders are made from polypropylene,
which is archival. Polypropylene  doesn't release vapors which will degrade
your images. Vinyl (the material used for most "regular", non-photographic
binders) gives off fumes which are highly reactive and can damage your
negatives. For this reason, you shouldn't use ordinary 3-ring binders
from the stationery or office-supply store unless you *know* what
they're made of.

The American Museum of Photography has a web page on proper storage
of photographs and negatives:

        http://www.photographymuseum.com/archival.html

Steve





From: [email protected] (Argon3)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Date: 20 Sep 2002 
Subject: Re: Projecting 4x5s?


I once had in my hands a VERY old "magic lantern" type machine that was used to
project glass plates...it looked like it was very, shall we say, dangerous to
operate.

The 4X5 camera itself can be used as a projector...not exactly a Ektagraphic or
a Kindermann...but it works.  You may have to use a little ingenuity to rig up
a light source and the ground glass grid will superimpose if it is a gridded
ground glass, but it can be done.

Also, many 4X5 enlargers have the ability to turn the head to a horizontal
position for wall projection.  Please be sure that everything is secure before
doing this.  I once acquired the manual for a really neat older system that
"tripled" as a camera, an enlarger and a projector but I gave it away to
someone who actually managed to buy one at a flea market and I can't remember
the name of it.

argon





From: [email protected] (brian)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: Re: Projecting 4x5s?
Date: 20 Sep 2002 


"Robert S. Dean" [email protected] wrote 
> I'm very new to large format, so please forgive a probably
> stupid question:
>
> While I understand that magazines often buy transparencies
> in preference to negatives, is there any system out there for
> actually projecting them at home?  My father is a long-time
> slide film shooter in 35mm, so I'm accustomed to the idea of
> slide shows...
>
> Rob Dean

You could use an ordinary overhead projector, although that would work
better with 8x10 format.  You might want to cut out a mask to make
sure you only project a 4x5" area.  You might also want to use a
different lens to get better quality and a higher magnification.

Brian
www.caldwellphotographic.com




From: [email protected] (S. Freund)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: Re: Projecting 4x5s?
Date: 20 Sep 2002


"Robert S. Dean" [email protected] wrote

> While I understand that magazines often buy transparencies
> in preference to negatives, is there any system out there for
> actually projecting them at home?

Not quite an answer, but still :-) :

Almost all my 4x5's are slides (EPP); I'm a color addict, and
copying/enlarging LF negs over here in Europe is prohibitively
expensive. With slides, you have at least something you can
immediately admire and show.

For viewing purposes I've got a small 4x5-size battery-powered
lightbox (cost around $20). Taking this and the slides is not much
more hassle than showing prints around. The last time I showed my last
holidays' 4x5's to friends, they - in this case, very much
photographic amateurs - took a while to understand they were seeing
the original slides, not some fancy enlargement on film. They finally
did - and from THEIR next holidays I got a postcard with a portrait of
the local head of state, with a note saying they would not even
attempt to compete with my holiday pictures, thence the non-holiday
motive postcard.

While this is anecdotal, the light box idea is not. I use it a lot,
and once people grasp the idea, they are mostly considerably
impressed, even without wall projection.

Greetings,

  Steve





From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Shooting slide film  in 6x9 Format
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002


Robert Feinman wrote:

> One other format is superslide this is 1 7/8 square and fits in 35mm
> projectors. You can put a mask in a MF camera and then trim the film to
> fit the format. Do it yourself mounts are available.
> Check Weiss mounts to see sizes they have for MF.

6x9 might be a little big to crop into a 4x4 slide mount but I've done it. Wess
makes the cheapest glass mount I know of for super-slides and their new number is
(631) 300-0000.  The Wess mount is made to accommodate the traditional sized chip.
Gepe makes a super-slide mount, that appears to fly off the shelves at B&H. The Gepe 
mount is designed for chips a little smaller (maybe a millimeter) than the 
mounts and to get a precise fit you should use the Gepe cutter.  Check out
www.gepe.com for more information.  B&H retails the Gepe mounts in the US.  For the
cheapest solution for superslides check out www.frugalphotographer.com.  The frugal
photographer is selling heat shrink superslide mounts.




[Ed. note: these Epidiaskop IIIs are serious projectors ;-)]
Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 
From: Willem-Jan Markerink [email protected]
To: "Experts in the field of German & Academic/Industrial
     Optics"@post.cis.smu.edu
Subject: Leitz Grossraum Epidiaskop IIIs (was: (Fwd) [Leica] Time-line: focal
length in centimeters ver

 Fromm, Daniel W (Dan), ALASO wrote:

> Willem-Jan:
>
>  Thanks for asking, sorry that I can't help you at all on Leitz'
> engravers' choice of units.  I'm not sure why, but I suspect that
> choice of units was a little inconsistent.  The best evidence on
> inconsistency I have is of course completely irrelevant.  My first
> 100/6.3 Neupolar was marked 100 mm, my second (still en route) appears
> to be marked 10 cm, and I've seen 50/3.5s marked 50 mm and 5 cm.
>
>  Congratulations on getting all that scrap metal.  I don't think
> EpiDiascopes turn up often, if ever, in the junk yards where I look
> for optical goods, but I'll continue to remember your interest in
> them.

Right now I am much more interested in relevant literature
anyway....have quite some literature about the smaller Epidiaskop's
(from 1929 till 1970), but about the IIIs I have only this brief book-
chapter.

Finding a IIIs projector itself, far away, especially across the
pond, is a logistical nightmare anyway....lightweight literature is
preferred....:))

(just the lenses would be cool too, assuming that elsewhere too much
more projectors were demolished than lenses)
So, if any of you sees even a hint of such literature, please contact
me!....:))

Germany's largest collector of slide projectors (600 items....8-))
told me that the 3 units he saw in Stuttgart (not Muenchen as I wrote
earlier) were mounted in 1956, when the lecture hall was build (you
build the lecture hall *around* these projectors, not the other way
around....:))

And they were indeed mounted solid, half-integrated into the
projection-chamber, not transportable at all.
(changing lights meant removing wooden panels....8-))

He will send me one or more serial numbers, so that I can determine
mine a bit better.

Another source said that the changeover between centimeter and
millimeter was around mid 60's....can anyone confirm that?

--
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink
[email protected]
[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]




From: [email protected] (Pavel Dvorak)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Subject: Re: Projecting slides a short distance - how?
Date: 4 Nov 2002


Kevin ([email protected]) writes:
> Tom Thackrey wrote:
>>
>> Slide projector, slide, lens, screen. The key to focusing close
>> is that the lens needs to be further from the slide than when
>> focusing far away.
>
> Thanks, Tom.  Any ideas on where I might find a cheap lens that
> would do the trick?

Adding a close-up lens to the projector's standard lens would do the trick,
but the question is how to fasten (duct tape?).

Pavel




[Ed. note: an interesting slide projector for those showing slides larger than 6x6cm!]
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 
From: Sean Brady [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Golde Model 447 Projector for Sale

Hello,
You may be interested in an item I have listed on ebay currently.

Please take a look at:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15256&item=1946667618

I have accessed your site in the past, and it was an excellent resource.
Currently it is unavailable.

Thanks and good luck
Sean Brady      

[Quoting from EBAY:
Very nicely made Golde Model 447 Master Projector for 3 1/4" x 4" Slide and Film Strips/Magic Lantern. 
Cast metal construction with handsome bronze wrinkle paint. Uses 500 watt lamp. 6 1/2" F4.0 Golde Anastigmat lens. Made in USA. 
19.5"W x 9"D x 12.75"H. 19 lbs]





[Ed. note: thanks to Koskentola Jaakko for passing on these observations!!]
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 
From: Koskentola Jaakko [email protected]
To: 'Robert Monaghan' [email protected]
Subject: Rollei P11 vs Zeiss Ikon Super Royal

Hello,

To recap: I was considering buying a Rollei P11 dual projector to be able to
project my 6x6 slides in full, and not having to cut them into superslides.
I was a bit concerned about the quality of the projected image of the
Rollei, and hence took my Zeiss Ikon projector with me to the seller to make
a side-by-side comparison.

First of all, the equipment. The Rollei P11 sported three lenses: A
Heidosmat 110/f2.8 (for 35 mm), Heidosmat 160/f2.8 (for 6x6) and a Heidosmat
vario 110-150/f3.5. The Zeiss Ikon has a Zeiss Ikon Super Talon MC 90/2.5
lens, supposed to be the predecessor of Leitz Super Colorplan. The screen
was a mediocre silver screen, which increases colour saturation but does not
resolve extremely fine detail when viewed up close (3 ft, as I like to do).

The owner of the Rollei had CL'd it, tha A bit was on process when I
arrived. He'd took the thing apart without instructions, and there were
slight adjustments to be made; like the fact that the 35 mm slide tray would
not go forward...

I had my own slides with me, some superslides, some 35 mm and some 6x6. The
Rollei produced a good image with 35 mm and superslides, with lots of detail
and goodish contrast. However, when the same slides were projected with the
Zeiss Ikon, the differences were apparent. The Zeiss has a lot more
contrast, making the images crispier. Fine detail was better resolved. The
Vario-Heidosmat was clearly lacking in contrast, the images appeared almost
foggy.

The overall image was also brighter: the Rollei has a 300W bulb, the Zeiss a
250W halogen. As I am very much concerned with the smallest possible detail
the taking lens-film-projecting lens-screen can reproduce, I decided not to
buy the Rollei. I was considering it to be the only projector, since to me
it would not make sense to have a dual projector and a dedicated 35 mm
projector; if two projectors are needed, 'twould be better both were
dedicated, thereby avoiding the inevitable compromises.

The seller had several Rolleis, a twin lens 35 mm projector as well as
Rollei 66, a dedicated 6x6 projector. The twin model sported Carl Zeiss
P-Planar 90/2.5 T* lenses, so we decided to compare those with my Zeiss Ikon
Super Talon. The P-Planar produced a clearly crispier image with better
contrast and more vivid colours. D'oh, I might have to invest in a better
projecting lens as well!!! For comparison, we also compared the Zeiss Ikon
with the seller's Leitz's plastic Hektor, the entry-level projecting lens,
and the difference was obvious. I should say that the Hektor, mounted to the
Zeiss Ikon, was better than the Rollei with its 110/2.8 Heidosmat, but
clearly inferior to the Super Talon with less contrast and colour
saturation.

So I'm left hunting for a 6x6 projector. A brand-new Rollei dual projector
costs a little under $2000, so that is currently out of the question. I
shall keep on looking. Now, I just saw this ad for a Kindermann Super 66
with a Will-Wetzlar 150/3.0, to be had for $350...

Yours,
jaakko koskentola





From: PW [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: leitz/leica projector
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002

I have a Leica Pradovit 300 (250 watt bulb , the 150 is dimmer) that came with a
Leica curved field lens designed, as I understand, to accomodate film curl in
poorly mounted slides. The lens was an absolute dog and I've read somewhere that
it's been discontinued. It was impossible to get even focus across any slide
however curled, or perfectly flat, it was. If you replace that lens, as I have,
with the Leica Super Colorplan you will get pin sharp projection. Of course flat
slides are important, and I have put most of mine in glass mounts. Yes, it's a bit
time consuming, but the results are so good it's worth it. Because it's a drag I
suspect I cull my slides more harshly - not a bad thing.

By the by, it amuses me to watch the digital world clawing its horribly expensive
way towards some glorious day (2008? 10? 20?) when the amateur will be able to
afford big chip cameras and wall-sized screens that show digital images with
enough resolution to make them credible. Right now, my old Nikon, my little E6
developing tank, and then my projector can put up 2 X 3 metre images that make the
present state of digital presentation a joke. Sure, that doesn't make me a better
photographer, but a happier one. Good luck with your slide projection, at the
moment nothing comes close.

Peter Wear
...






From: [email protected] (John Eyles)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 6x9cm $150 surplus proj. Re: Shooting slide film  in 6x9 Format
Date: 18 Nov 2002 


Their number is now 323-681-4927.  But I called them and they
don't know anything about the Buhl.

John

>C&H surplus, per google: http://aaaim.com/CandH/ they have an online store




From: Charles Clemens [[email protected]] 
Sent: Fri 3/7/2003 
To: Monaghan, Robert 
Subject: Repair of Autofocus on Rollei P66 Projector


I have the Rollei P66s, and I like it very much. I was having a problem
with the autofocus; but I found the solution, and wish to share it with all.
Please see the web page I made about this simple repair at:

http://www.cwclemens.com/Rollei/P66.htm

--
Charles Clemens
100 Arbor Dr.
Carterville, IL 62918-1009
USA
[email protected]




From: Marv Soloff [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 3 1/2 x 4 1/2 Projectors
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 

Great! Good luck on the slide mounts - worst scenario - you have to bind
them between glass to make real "lantern slides".

Regards,

Marv

[email protected] wrote:
> Well Marv, I just picked up one of these behemoth contraptions off of eBay and I
> believe I might have found a source for 3 1/4" x 4" slide mounts so I'll be sure
> to post the results of my "experiment" into MF projection soon. I see that
> another prominent member of this list bought one as well. (Hint: he runs a
> mega-MF information website)
>
> Marv Soloff wrote:
>
>
>>At this price, you can cobble up an adapter for 6 x 7 out of old Schlitz
>>cans and make it work. A Kindermann it is not, but it will throw
>>reasonably sharp pictures onto a screen. The GoldE's were built like
>>tanks and have lasted these some 60 years with nary a blemish, Just an
>>idea for those guys bitching about the price of current projection
>>equipment like the Cabins or Kindermanns. The old AOs were great too.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Marv
>>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>Marv, thanks for the tip. A general question though for the group. Who
>>>makes sildes that will go in a projector like this? The biggest slides Gepe
>>>makes are 54x68 (6x7). I'd love to project my 6x9 stuff, but I wondering
>>>what kind of mount I could put it on.
>>>
>>>Marv Soloff wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>This is a heads up - there are several 3 x 4 projectors listed on eBay
>>>>for as little as $9.00 USD. Look for "GoldE" - you should find 5-6
>>>>listings. One listing is the projector head only - no lens - for a "buy
>>>>now" of $19.95. Avoid. I have no interest in these, I have a multiformat
>>>>projector in the closet, but there has been some activity of late on
>>>>where (oh where) to find an affordable large format projector.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>Marv





From: Marv Soloff [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: 3 1/2 x 4 1/2 Projectors
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 

This is a heads up - there are several 3 x 4 projectors listed on eBay
for as little as $9.00 USD. Look for "GoldE" - you should find 5-6
listings. One listing is the projector head only - no lens - for a "buy
now" of $19.95. Avoid. I have no interest in these, I have a multiformat
projector in the closet, but there has been some activity of late on
where (oh where) to find an affordable large format projector.

Regards,

Marv




From: Koskentola Jaakko [[email protected]] 
Sent: Wed 3/26/2003 
To: Monaghan, Robert 
Subject: MF projector


Hello, Robert

Some moons ago I wrote you about information concerning medium format
projectors, more specifically a Rollei P11 dual-format. I was dissatisfied
with the image quality of the Rollei and kept on looking. The search is now
over, on a moment of pecuniary euphoria I splurged on a Hasselblad PCP80.
Must say I'm v. happy about the image quality: crisp, contrasty yet full of
nuances and shades. I viewed same slides as with the P11 I was considering,
and there is no contest. The Blad's reputation is deserved.

The machine is big, very big, bit like a Kodak carousel on steroids. Very
quiet, even though the focusing motor is noisy, but, then you only need to
use in once on each viewing session ;-) The shifting condensor-lens combo is
a very nice detail indeed.

The 6x6 slides are simply astounding on a white matt screen, incredible
three-dimensionality and plasticity. No print can match the original slide
when projected. Loupes and light tables do not do justice to the images. Now
I'm looking for a larger screen, since the image quality holds up to quite a
large magnification.

Yours,
jaakko from Helsinki, Finland





From russian camera user mailing list:
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 
To: [email protected]
From: Marc James Small [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Russiancamera] Slightly OT: Kiev 66 slide projector?

I have a Kiev 66 projector and love it. It IS big, ugly, and crude, but
optically most fine and does a grand job with either 35mm or 6cm by 6cm
slides. When you can find these projectors, they are often quite inexpensive.

Marc
[email protected]




From: Marv Soloff [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: American Optical Lantern Slide Projector
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003

Several people stock and sell projector bulbs on the web - If I recall
one is named Bulbman.

The traditional projectors were the GoldE which you have, the Buhl (lots
made for the military) Beseler, Bausch & Lomb and Americal Optical.
What you may have to do is make an adapter sleeve to fit the slide in
your GoldE. I do believe that someone makes 6 x 7 slide mounts, but if
all else fails, get some glass cut to size and some tape and make your
own lantern slides. Glad you got a piece of projection history!

Regards,

Marv
...




From: Marv Soloff [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 3 1/2 x 4 1/2 Projectors
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 

Enlargers will work providing the lamps will work in a horizontal
position - some hi brightness lamps will burn out in that position -
which gets expensive. Better to get a purpose built machine like a
lantern slide projector - they seem to be cheap enough.

Regards,

Marv

Lassi Hippel�inen wrote:
> Marv Soloff wrote:
>
>>You will want to look for the following manufacturers - Golde (or GoldE)
>>you already know about - Bausch & Lomb, Buhl (made a lot of lantern
>>slide projectors for the military), American Optical (rarer). More as I
>>track 'em down. My own machine, from the early '50s is a Ferrania made
>>in Italy, with two sets of lenses, slides, condensers, all in a fitted
>>briefcase style bag. Multi voltage, too.
>
>
> How about enlargers? Changing the image is manual, but on the other
> hand, you don't need a frame. No need even to cut the strip...
>
> In really olden days the cameras were also used as enlargers and
> projectors. That might be a possibility for a tinkerer. Think about a
> 4"x5" back with a flatbed light in it... Or even a Hassy back ;-)
>
> -- Lassi




From: Marv Soloff  [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 3 1/2 x 4 1/2 Projectors
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 


You will want to look for the following manufacturers - Golde (or GoldE)
you already know about - Bausch & Lomb, Buhl (made a lot of lantern
slide projectors for the military), American Optical (rarer). More as I
track 'em down. My own machine, from the early '50s is a Ferrania made
in Italy, with two sets of lenses, slides, condensers, all in a fitted
briefcase style bag. Multi voltage, too.

Regards,

Marv




From: "Rick Rieger" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Golde Model 447 MF slide projector
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 

Hi, John,

You might look into a glass beaded screen from Dalite or others. I have a
9-foot Dalite glass beaded wall screen that I use to project MF slides with
a Pro Cabin projector. The glass beaded surface is high gain, meaning you
get a much brighter image than from a matte surface. I'm not sure of my
numbers, but I think the brightness gain is about 2x. The cost is
reasonable. The downside is that glass beaded brightness is quite
directional. You need to view the screen within 30 degrees or so either
side of the projector for maximum brightness.

As for the 1000w lamp, you could try it, but I would watch it very carefully
for excessive heat build up. I had a 16mm movie projector once with a 1000w
lamp. It had a bright picture, but also served as an effiicient space
heater.

The Cabin projector will also allow some adjustment between the condenser
lenses and the lamp. The purpose of this is to narrow the cone of light a
bit for 6x6 and smaller slides, and therefore brighten the image. For 6x7
slides the condensers are moved to expand the illumination over a larger
area.

Rick Rieger

"John Eyles" [email protected] wrote
> I recently acquired one of these babies off EBay,
> thanks to a tip from someone here (thanks !).
>
> It seems to work pretty well, but I have some question,
> if there is anyone else out there with one of these
> units.
>
> I was a little disappointed with the brightness of the
> bulb. It doesn't appear like it's really bright enough
> to take advantage of the viewing distance / enlargement
> factor that should be possible projecting a 6x9cm
> transparency. Later, I notcied a control that seems
> to simply slide the bulb back and forth, closer or
> farther away from the condensers and the film itself.
> Is this to adjust the brightness, or other purpose ?
>
> According to donsbulbs.com, this projector uses a DMX
> bulb (500 watts), although there are no legible markings
> on the bulb in my projector to verify this. Donsbulbs
> also lists a bulb called DRS (1000 watts) for a Honeywell
> and Golde projector with the same model number (447) which
> appears to have teh same socket, so I'm wondering if it
> could be used as a brighter replacement.
>
> Also curious what folks have found to be useful as a
> projection screen. Obviously I'd like something larger
> than a typical 35mm screen (that's the whole point).
> Perhaps a white sheet tied tautly up in the trees (for
> outdoor viewing) ? Or a sheet of that Melamine stuff
> (used as wallboard in bathrooms and such) ?
>
> Thanks, John





From: Marv Soloff [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Golde Model 447 MF slide projector
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003

My handy dandy "Camera Repairman's Handbook" lists the 447 lamp as the
already mentioned DMX. You may want to source a "Da-Lite" projection
screen for use with this machine. For lantern slides (3-1/2 x 4), with a
9" lens you should be able to fill a 60" screen at 15 feet.

Regards,

Marv

John Eyles wrote:
> I recently acquired one of these babies off EBay,
> thanks to a tip from someone here (thanks !).
>
> It seems to work pretty well, but I have some question,
> if there is anyone else out there with one of these
> units.
>
> I was a little disappointed with the brightness of the
> bulb. It doesn't appear like it's really bright enough
> to take advantage of the viewing distance / enlargement
> factor that should be possible projecting a 6x9cm
> transparency. Later, I notcied a control that seems
> to simply slide the bulb back and forth, closer or
> farther away from the condensers and the film itself.
> Is this to adjust the brightness, or other purpose ?
>
> According to donsbulbs.com, this projector uses a DMX
> bulb (500 watts), although there are no legible markings
> on the bulb in my projector to verify this. Donsbulbs
> also lists a bulb called DRS (1000 watts) for a Honeywell
> and Golde projector with the same model number (447) which
> appears to have teh same socket, so I'm wondering if it
> could be used as a brighter replacement.
>
> Also curious what folks have found to be useful as a
> projection screen. Obviously I'd like something larger
> than a typical 35mm screen (that's the whole point).
> Perhaps a white sheet tied tautly up in the trees (for
> outdoor viewing) ? Or a sheet of that Melamine stuff
> (used as wallboard in bathrooms and such) ?
>
> Thanks, John




From: Marv Soloff [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Charles Beseler Co Model C Lantern Slide projector
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 

Sure - the old "lantern slide" projectors took approx 3 x 4 inch slides
good for lectures, camp meetings, sing alongs, etc. They are generally
available on eBay usually for under fifty dollars. Try to get a clean
example with working projection lamp (they tend to get expensive) and
get a glass beaded screen - look for the trade name "Da-Lite". Should
have no trouble to seeing your 6 x 7 slides blown up to some 60 inches
wide.

Regards,

Marv

Rod wrote:
> Anybody know anything about them? Would they do justice to 6 x 7 slides from an RB67?
> Thanks
> Rod




From Hasselblad Mailing list:
From: Dr. Ulrik Neupert [[email protected]] 
Sent: Mon 4/28/2003
To: [email protected] 
Subject: AW: [HUG] OT: Used Rollei Projectors


Hi,
I have two Pollei P66S projectors. The problem with the slide advance with
these machines results from a worn rubber band that connects motor ourput
shaft and film transport. These can easily be changed. More problematic is
the unreliable Autofocus and the lens mount. Heavy lenses like the 110-160
zoom tend to tilt a little when they are driven too far out of the housing.
I myself would buy a more recent Rollei like the 66 AV or the current model.
I cannot comment on the P11. I always hoped that they would introduce a
medium format projector with two lenses like they did for 35 mm. I have one
and it is fantastic but they said that they will not built such a machine.

Ulrik




From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 6 x 6 Slide Projector
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003

I don't know that much about this model, but I bought a GoldE. The projector
cooks the slides and ain't that bright. Plus no one makes mounts for it
anymore and the vintage GoldE mounts I bought are covered with fungus. I
read somewhere that you can get an imported Mamiya projector for less than
what it sells for in the US. Now thats the kind of info I'd be interested
in.

Bob Salomon wrote:
> Marv Soloff [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Victor - really impossible to comply with your suggestion - the machine
> > is not mine, I do not know who posted it you know where, and I simply
> > posted this information to allow others who want a large format
> > projector cheap to follow the breadcrumbs. If I have something to sell
> > - which I don't in this case - I would post it to the correct NG as I
> > have done in the past. This posting is just information hence FYI.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Marv
> >
> > Victor Bazarov wrote:
> > > "Marv Soloff" [email protected] wrote...
> > >
> > >>FYI: [..]
> > > You think if you try to sneak an FA posting into a non-marketplace
> > > newsgroup by masquerading it as "FYI", you wouldn't be in violation
> > > of the Charter, eh? Cunning...
> > >
> > > Please find the right place and follow the accepted convention.
>
> Then you might be interested in bulb costs for this unit.
>
> Very expensive, and short lived, lamps
>
> --
> HP Marketing Corp.




From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 6 x 6 Slide Projector
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 

The Kievs use 220V and require a step up transformer. They do
occasionally show up on eBay (I believe Arax sells them) but usually
they're asking around $138 for shipping 'cause they're heavy. I've run
into this problem with buying Simda 2200s. They're relatively easy to
find overseas but they're heavy and expensive to ship.
...




From: David Livingstone [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 645 Black Card slide mounts
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 

IB [email protected] writes
>A while ago I had some sample black card mounts roughly the size of a
>5x4 frame with a mounting hole for a single 645 transparency.
>
>Problem is I can't remember where I got them from, if anyone knows the
>mounts I mean can they suggest a supplier in the UK?

Probably Kenro mount sleeves
http://www.kenro.co.uk/mainpg.htm

I get them from 7dayshop.com

Kenro KBM005
-----------------

A 6x4.5 Single Aperture Black Mask & Sleeve - 25 Pack

Pack of 25, 12x9 cm black fold over masks for special presentation and
storage of unmounted 6x4.5 transparencies.

Price includes 25 protective slip in sleeves (clear front with frosted
backs) for guarding against fingerprints and dust etc.

GBP8.75 - save on the RRP of 10.50

http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=777_1_104_10401&products_id=7903

Any cheaper alternatives welcomed.
rdgs
--
David




From: [email protected] (drsmith)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Any easy way of mounting 6x4.5 in Gepe frames ? Spares for Rollei P66 ?
Date: 13 Jun 2003 


I will second this advice. If you get a parts express catalog
(www.partsexpress.com), you'll find a belt sizing chart printed in the
catalog you can use to figure out what size you need. Otherwise, I'd
lookup the local vcr repair doctor and ask him/her to order you a
belt.

In the worst case scenario, if you're really desperate, you can also
try an industrial supply catalog such as mcmaster-carr.

--drsmith

 Ken Hart [email protected] wrote:
>I have no idea what the Rollei belt looks like, but you may want to try a TV
>repair shop. There are "universal" belts available for VCR's. One
>manufacturer is PRB (Projector Recorder Belt).
>
>Ken Hart
>
>[email protected] wrote
>> As far as that Rollei belt--Unobtainable (Marflex says obsolete) but
>> improvisable-If you can find a girls hair band of the correct length in the
>> non pinching type (no metal crimp in the middle). Ah--the perfect solution.
>> Same problem here!
>> Joseph Burke
...




From: Bob Salomon [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Any Good 6x6 Slide Mounting Systems Out There?
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 

"Ed Senior" [email protected] wrote:

> Hi again, Bob -
>
> Well, I went out and found Bear Images today!
> Thanks for alerting me to their existence.
> I might just buy one of your Gepe film cutters
> from them.
>
> But I have a question: The Gepe web site shows
> gadgets that re-open the Gepe 35mm snap-together
> slide mounts. But I could not find such a gadget
> listed for the 6x6 snap-together slide mounts.
> (I tried to re-open a sample 6x6 mount with my
> fingernails, but all I got was nicked up nails.)
>
> Are we 6x6 folks out of luck with Gepe, or have
> I just not found the listing for the opener? Easy
> reversibility of the slide mounting process is
> important to me.
>
> Thanks, Ed
>
> "Bob Salomon" [email protected] wrote
> > Monterey Bay Photo is in Aptos. Bear Images has been in Palo Alto for
> > about half the time you have been there.

Gepe 645, 66 and 67 mounts are all re-openable and re-usable. I use
either my thumb nail or a knife blade at the corner. You use the knife
blade as you would use a clam opener. Insert flat part of blade at edge
in the corner. Use gentle pressure to push toward the seam and twist at
the same time. They re-open quite easily once you try it a couple of
times.
--
HP Marketing Corp.




From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Any Good 6x6 Slide Mounting Systems Out There?
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 

Gepe makes an overpriced cutter for 6x6 which presumably will make your
trannies fit perfectly into Gepe MF mounts for 6x6. Gepe makes the best
mounts hands down. Wess also makes MF mounts which are cheaper than
Gepe's but I don't think they make a cutter, although their mounts are
more or less "drop-in" and therefore aren't as intolerant of imperfectly
sized trannies as the Gepe's are. For me anything bigger than
full-frame 35mm requires glass, otherwise the film buckles. I've heard
though that heat-seal mounts actually expand when cooling and therefore
pull the film tight. Again I find this hard to believe for MF.





From: "Ed Senior" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Any Good 6x6 Slide Mounting Systems Out There?
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 


Hi Steven -

Thanks for your comments! My online search has produced the
following brands of 6x6 mounts (in no particular order):
Clark, Hama, Gepe, and AP, plus the Wess that you mentioned.
In olden days, Kindermann made some great mounts, including
a hinged, glass, drop-in design.

Why do you think the Gepe mounts are best? I'm not too worried
about glassless mounts. I can tolerate less than perfect film
flatness; and glass mounts bring their own set of problems with
extra reflections, Newton concerns, and such.

Ed
...




From: Bob Salomon [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Any Good 6x6 Slide Mounting Systems Out There?
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003

...
Gepe is available from any camera store. The mounts are easily closed by
hand. But a press is available from Gepe if you prefer doing it without
needing finger pressure.

Gepe also makes film cutters for 4x4 cm, 6x4.5 cm, 6x6cm and 6x7cm.

While these easily and accurately cut the film to just the right size,
allow you to crop precisely and are self-sharpening for long life they
are not required. If you are good with scissors you can forgo the cutter.

Of course the cutters are much faster then scissors and once you make a
mis-cut with a pair of scissors the cutters will be very inexpensive
compared to the lost frame.

--
HP Marketing Corp.




From: [email protected] (John Eyles)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: slide mounts for medium-format (esp. 6x9)
Date: 12 Aug 2003 

I think awhile back folks were asking about
mounts for medium-format. These are the first I
have been able to find that come in 6x9 size:

www.inkjetart.com/sp/69.html

They are made by BAIR. 

I'm excited because I may be able to adapt them for
use in my GoldE lantern projector.

John





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