rec.photo.equipment.35mm
From: jchow [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.technique.nature
[1] Re: Learning Photography - NYIP or other sources??
Date: Wed Jan 13 1999

"P. Eric Chi" wrote:

> >The second part of this search for knowledge is to find out what books,
> >seminiars, and other sources might a person who knows the basics use to
> move
> >on.  There are a ton of books out there, but many are too basic.  I don't
> >need to read another book that discusses the rule of thirds or how to
> through
> >a background out of focus.  The same is true for seminars.  I don't need
> Mr.
> >Famous Photographer to tell me about including a foreground in my scenic
> >shots or focusing on the eyes of the animal.  What I need and I think many
> >others need is to know what is the next step.

From what I've heard of on the medium format digest, supported from what I've read on their webpage, if you already have good photographic technique, you're not going to learn anything at NYIP. If you want to become a pro photographer, I don't think the way to do it is to "major in photography." You're better off taking accounting/marketing courses and learning photography on the side. In the end, it's the marketing that sells the pics. According to one web article I read, pro wedding photographers spend about 1.5 days/week on the average shooting. The rest of the time is spent dealing with customers and trying to find new customers.

--Jim

rec.photo.equipment.35mm
From: [email protected] (JSenko4398)
[1] Re: Learning Photography - NYIP or other sources??
Date: Wed Jan 13 1999

Hi Jennifer

I took the same course about 5 years ago and my opinion is that the course is simply terrific. The course consists of many excellent lessons and in my opinion it was worth every penny. It's worth to mention how they emphasize and teach exposure technique. In the section of "Eye of the Photographer" their philosophy is to see "the world of photography" the same way the Pros do..

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998
From: Dennis Curtin [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: (prorental) Digital Photography Courses

Take the ProRental Challenge $100.00 http://www.prorental.com/endoffilm

I've been very involved in photographic education for over 20 years. I now have a digital photography site at http://www.shortcourses.com and am moving it slowly but surely towards an on-line textbook in digital photography.

I'm anxious to exchange ideas with those of you who are teaching photography and have set up a page and discussion forum devoted to this topic. I'd be more than grateful if you'd check it out and let me know what you think, either here or directly. I'd also appreciate it if someone (anyone!!) would enter some messages in the teachers forum. It's hard to get a new forum started, and I'm asking for some help.

Some of you may know me through my first photography book "The Darkroom Handbook" that I wrote with Joe DeMaio. But I was also the editor/publisher of the first edition of Upton & Upton's Photography text and Ken Kobre's Photojournalism text. I've also published photography books by Jim Stone, Phil Davis, Wes Kemp, and many others. I think the introduction of digital imaging is an exciting event and look forward to contributing any way I can.

Thank you, and I hope to hear from you.

Denny

--
Dennis Curtin
[email protected]

[Ed. note: the outline below may be helpful even if you don't live nearby!]
rec.photo.misc
From: [email protected] (C. Brandon Gresham, Jr.)
[1] Seattle: Basic Photography Course
Date: Fri Jan 15 1999

The Mountaineers Photography group is presenting a basic photography course in Seattle.

Thursday evenings: Feb 25 - March 18, 1999

Three weeks of instruction and a night of critique to help beginning and intermediate photographers create more effective images.

Topics include:

          Mechanics of your camera
          Sensing and using light quality and light direction
          Techniques for creating images with more impact
          Principles of lines and shapes
          Subject placement
          Photographic triangle:  aperture, film speed and shutter speed
          Understanding and using your light meter
          Exposure compensation in difficult situations
          Understanding and utilizing depth of field
          Selecting equipment for your needs
          Use of patterns and textures
          How to evoke emotion using color
          Simplifying your images
          Putting it all together

Field trips led by Mountaineer Photo Committee members on weekends following each instruction night.

The course meets weekly at the Mountaineers Clubhouse, 300 Third Avenue West, Seattle, from 7:00 - 9:30 p.m. Doors open at 6:15 for coffee, socializing and exhibits

For more information about both series, call:

         Mountaineers Clubhouse at
         (206) 284-8484
         or
         Email:  [email protected]  

From Nikon Digest:
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999
From: "Peter Lagus" [email protected]
Subject: v4n196/4 [v04.n199/3]
carson:

look at photo-seminars.com and photoflex.com. both of these have very useful seminars on line. they charge something like US$25 for a year of access. they contain reams of useful information. i'm not sure if my photography has improved (lack suffcient time for practice-you konw burn some film) but my theoretical knowledge and comfort level has increased many fold since signing up and using these two sites.

another really useful site in the nyip.com site put out by the new york institute of photography. lots of short useful articles that are changed every month. it is free.

regards

rec.photo.technique.nature
From: [email protected] (FForbes)
[1] Re: Learning Photography - NYIP or other sources??
Date: Mon Jan 18 1999

I found myself in your situation and decided to proceed with the NYIP course. Naturally, much of it is going to be basic, but often becoming more firmly grounded in the basics is a valuable thing.

The best thing they did for me was to instill the discipline to do the lesson assignments. Taking challenging shots of subjects I would not normally do was extremely valuable and the personal feedback regarding my pictures was a big help.

It was well worth the time and effort, but check for the "best deal" since they often offer discounts in conjunction with seminars or group memeberships.

rec.photo.misc
From: Keith Wills [email protected]
[1] Photo Technique Web Site
Date: Sat Jan 23 1999

Please check out the photography web site at www.scphoto.com where you will find technical information and tips for both darkroom and camera work as presented to the new photography students at Santa Cruz High School. We have sample projects you can try yourself as well as a photo gallery of student work. Please check it out, we put a lot of work into it and hope it will be of value to new photographers.

Keith Wills
Santa Cruz High School, California

From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Subject: Re: How about New York Institute of Photography (NYIP)?
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998

For up to date info suggest you contact NYI direct.Check out their web page www.nyip.com. I graduated 1.5 years ago and think it gave me a lot in terms of understanding photography and improving quality. Felt lost when the course was over but hv embarked on a specialized portraiture course. Also with NYI. Basically they said max 3 years for the 6 assignments. Few take it in less than a year. Personally I stretched it to the 3 years limit due to work commitments. It takes some discipline, because it is a correspondance course. But great course..

John Iversen

From Nikon Digest:
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999
From: Ilkka Haapavirta [email protected]
Subject: Nikon School (and other) videos. [v04.n185/23]

The Nikon School web page does not mention any videos anymore. Does anyone know any sources of those videos?

I know, Frans Lanting is (was?) selling the video "Nikon Masters of Wildlife featuring Frans Lanting", but how about the others, especially the Masters series?

Ilkka

rec.photo.equipment.35mm
From: Malcolm Tully [email protected]
[1] NYIP bottom line price
Date: Sat Feb 06 1999

After receiving info from NYIP, I decided to 'go for it'. From information I gathered while lurking here for awhile I decided that rather than wait for their best offer I would call them and ask for it. After talking for half an hour with a very nice lady on the phone we came down $548.00. That's at least $200 off of their advertised price. I feel like this was a good deal. What have your experiences been with them? Did you get a better price?

Thanks for your time and I look forward to hearing from those of you who have,or are taking the course.

Malcolm in North Carolina

rec.photo.equipment.35mm
From: [email protected] (Robert Monaghan)
[1] Re: NYIP bottom line price
Date: Sun Feb 07 1999

sounds like you really talked her down alright ;-)

it is somewhat hard to quote a precise dollar best-buy for any such course. First, they obviously have promotions and an ability to make deals. Second, they have multiple courses in different countries, with different kits of stuff, so the courses may not be strictly comparable or may vary with time or place (e.g., they have an active NYIP program in U.K.).

Obviously, they benefit from people signing right up at the higher prices, and so you have to turn to internet or wait to find out that they will send you a better followup price.

for related reviews see http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/classes.html

good luck! bobm

rec.photo.misc
From: "ShawGuides, Inc." [email protected]
[1] On-line directory to photo workshops & schools
Date: Fri Feb 05 1999

Our guides enable you to search for photography schools or workshops world-wide, by state, country, region, month, specialty and more. We also have an calendar of upcoming programs with the ability to subscribe to receive notifications of upcoming programs automatically, based on criteria you select.

Over 250 photography workshops listed at:

http://www.shawguides.com/photoworkshops

Over 150 photography schools listed at:

http://www.shawguides.com/photoschools

We hope you visit us soon!

From: [email protected] (Kenriley)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc
Subject: ***The Photographer's Forum Web Bulletin Board***
Date: 28 Dec 1998

A NEW free bulletin board was created for the photographic community. This board is actively being promoted and listed in major search engines and directories. Please post your message of interest concerning teaching positions, darkroom/laboratories jobs, photo workshops, meetings or clubs, gallery openings, photo seminars, and other professional positions of potential interest to the photographic industry.

http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mbmc00824

rec.photo.misc
From: Ace [email protected]
[1] Re: Photography Schools
Date: Fri Feb 12 1999

Don Farra wrote:

> Personally, I would go the self-teach (school of hard knocks) route over the mail
> order education route.  Look into your local ASMP chapter for advice and
> direction.
>
> Don
>
> KangMing wrote:
>
> > Greetings from Pennsylvania:
> >
> > I'm looking to further, (well actually if truth were to be known, to begin)
> > some formal education in photography.  I've been shooting for about 4 1/2 years
> > and have never taken a class.  Everything I've learned has been on my own,
> > through trial and error.  But I feel that now is the time to get some
> > technical, hands on training.  The issue is that I've just finished a graduate
> > degree and have started work and therefore cannot realistically consider
> > actually attending school somewhere.  Therefore the school must come to me. My
> > question therefore is what are some schools that teach photography (I'm mainly
> > interested in documentary/photojournalism) via distance learning.  I think the
> > correspondence route would be ideal.  I know about the New York Institute of
> > Photography program, but I'd like a few more options so as to make a more
> > informed decision.
> >
> > If anyone can help me in this matter I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks a lot
> > and have a great day.
> >
> > Shalom,
> > Curtis

When I was in the Air Force, I pursued an accreditted college degree via distance learning. I travelled too much to actually attend a college full time.

When I retired, I took the NY Institute's correspondence course. It was very comprehensive, and it helped me to teach myself photography in a self-paced, structured manner.

I learned a lot about lighting, composition, developing, etc. The main thing it did was to give you assignments which your instructor would then critique, allowing you to figure out what you did wrong, and to do it better the next time.

NYI is not nearly as good as 2 years at a resident school for photography. But, for the money, it is a great way for a novice to BEGIN learning about photography. But, as we all know, photography requires a lifetime of learning. He who doesn't learn something everytime he shoots a roll of film, is either stupid or dead.

Ace

P.S. Another thing - if you can wait a couple months to begin, order your info pack now and wait until they've contacted you 3 or 4 times. They will eventually give you a big discount.

From: Donald Farra [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.misc
Subject: Re: Photography classes in Los Angeles?
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999

Check out the various community colleges and night school courses, such as Santa Monica College. There are also various organizations that have photography groups, I think the Serria Club of California is a good starting point. Also there are classes, sessions offer through the major camera stores in LA such as Samys. Then again you can always join professional organizations such as Santa Monica based WPPI and or PP of A. From there the sky is the limit.

Don

From: Keith Wills [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.misc
Subject: Photo Class Web Site
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999

Santa Cruz High School Photography program has a full web site of information on camera use, technique, darkroom work as well as projects students must do for class. See samples of student work and look at some projects that may challenge you in your own work. The site can be found at http://www.scphoto.com Give us your feedback if you can. Enjoy.

Keith Wills
Santa Cruz High School Photography

Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999
From: Howard [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Subject: Online Course

Gloucester County College is offering an online course in Photography, ART119, Introduction to Photography. This is a three credit course. For more information, contact [email protected]

Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999
From: Gil Yeager [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: All of Natures Wonders

Hi

We are a Semi-professional photographic couple, leading small nature wildlife photo tours to photogenic locations, for intense photography to obtain prize winning results, with out the hassles.

Gil & Madlyn Yeager

see All Nature's Wonders photo page!

rec.photo.marketplace
From: "Terrell Armstrong" [email protected]
[1] !How-To Photography Videos!
Date: Thu Mar 18 1999

You can find these helpful videos at our site of over 12,000 titles of Special Interest How-To videos and CD-ROMs at: www.how-tovideocd.com.

Thank you.

T.A. International Video & CD-ROM
www.how-tovideocd.com
[email protected]

From: Richard Davis [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Two New Tutorials
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999

I have just added two new tutorials to the How To Do It album at Photopoint.

The new tutorials are on dogs, red eye problems and changing doggie backgrounds, and on the reduction of haze for distance or aerial photography.

If interested you may want to take a look.

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=10081

Rick

From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Subject: Online tutorials directory
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999

Hi Everybody!

Just wanted to let you know about Knowledge Hound's Photography page -

http://www.knowledgehound.com/photogra.shtml

Knowledge Hound is a directory of links to free online tutorials and tips for an amazing range of subjects. At our Photography page, you'll find links to guides on astrophotography, pinhole cameras, digital photography, underwater photography... the list goes on.

Hope you like! And be sure to keep checking back. We update often.

The Webmistress,
Knowledge Hound
www.knowledgehound.com

From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: A new Photography website
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999

Here is a new Photography site on the Web. visit http://photofreak.hypermart.net for getting the best tips and tricks on SLR photography. Join our community in the discussion board. Learn the internals of your SLR camera. FREE classifieds and bulletin board.

Photofreak

From: [email protected] (JoeMead)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.art
Subject: Re: Questions about NYI Photography Course
Date: 21 Apr 1999

I recently completed the NYI course.

It definitly is not a video based course! You get a series of lessons ( a stack of books about 3" high). You read and study a lesson while listening to audio tapes made by the instructers. You then take a self test that has supplied answers. When you think you know the subject you mail in an exam which is graded and returned to you.

Also, there are numerous photo assignments to let you apply what you learned. You take two-five pictures for each assignment and mail them to your instructor. The instructor evaluates the pictures, provides comments and suggestiong and returns them to you.

Thus, you are learning by listening, reading, and applying the knowledge to asssigned shots.

I thought it was a good course to learn and use the fundamentals.

Oh, by the way they also provide some video tapes that illustrate what has been taught. But these tapes are not the main "learning tool"

Did I learn everything I need to know? No, I learned the fundamentals so I could go into the field and start taking pictures and to continue my learning by reading advanced books.

[email protected]
Remove NoSpam

Camera Exposure (Email)

Beginner and refresher course for B/W darkroom printing. Bring your negatives.

Sign up through San Diego State College Extended Studies for Sept, Oct, Nov classes. 619-640-5300

[Ed. note: included for price info, presumably sold..]
rec.photo.marketplace
From: [email protected] (Fjx1)
[1] FS:New York Institute Course( NYIP)
Date: Tue Oct 26 1999

I have the complete 1999 NYI course, all books, all audio tapes and videotapes. You get everything except the instructor (6 interactions). I paid over $700. Will sell for $220 or BO. Would rather not ship model head, cumbersome and you can use anything, but will if you insist.

E- mail [email protected]

[Ed. note: Dean Collins is one of the top commercial photographers and a highly regarded seminar and workshop teacher...]
rec.photo.misc
From: zeitgeist [email protected]
[1] Re: Books on photographing jewelry
Date: Thu Oct 28 1999

Dean Collins had some excellent tutorials called Fine Light Series. Shows complete step by step set ups with simple flash and do it your self pannel reflectors and scrims.

Ne Slonik wrote:

> Hi there,
> I would like to buy a book on photographing jewelry.
> Any suggestions?

From Leica Mailing List:

Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999
From: Pascal [email protected]
Subject: [Leica] Leica Akademie Seminar experience (long)

Here it goes.

Date: 03-10-1998 17:13

Hello friends:

As I told you last week, I participated in the Leica Akademie seminar in English language from Sept 28 till Sept 30. Some have already asked for information on such LA seminars. This email will give you a few impressions of the one I attended. First overview of the program and major events, and then my evaluation.

1. The program and major events
- -----------------------

My wife and me arrived on Sunday Sept 27 in Wetzlar by train. Most participants were staying at the Hotel Wetzlarer Hof, a three star hotel, conveniently located in the town of Wetzlar (nearby the town center). At 7 p.m. all participants were welcomed by Ms Verena Mueller from the LA, and we had dinner together and could get to know each other better. There were 12 participants: only 4 Europeans (1 Dane, 1 Brit, 1 Hungarian and me, 1 Belgian), 1 Australian and 7 Americans. All but two participants were male. I must surely have been the youngest at 33...

The course started on Monday Sept 28, and the lessons took place at the Leica factory in Solms. The LA is situated in the same building as the factory itself and the Customer Service, which is very convenient. When you enter the building, your arrive in a hall with reception desk, and at the right there are several glass showcases showing selected Leica gear. Also, a complete family tree with real cameras is on display, as are some historic pieces. All around are very nice photographs (enlargements). Very cosy place.

The LA offices are on the right when you are in the hall, next to a small coffee bar.

This was the first time since many long years that Leica has taken up courses in English. After the GI's had left and until now there had only been courses in German. So this year is the first time courses will be held in English and French.

Title of the seminar was "experience Leica live. Seminar for amateurs in English language" and it was focussed on the R8.

On day one (Monday) we were first welcomed by the director of the LA and writer of several renowned Leica M and R books, Guenther Osterloh. The courses were given by Francis Pilet and Verena Mueller.

The morning session was on the photographic composition, and the R8 handling and instructions/ light metering. Lunch was taken at the Leica factory restaurant, as on the other days.

In the afternoon we went back to Wetzlar for our first practical exercices. These were about focal lenght comparison, perspective comparison and depth of field comparison.

In the evening we had a very interesting social event, a medieval dinner at Greifenstein Castle. There was even a machine to stamp coins, and we all could stamp our own commemmoration coin (1989 - 150 Jahre Photographie - 75 Jahre Leica Photographie).

Day two (Tuesday) started with a factory tour. Impressive! It was extremely interesting to see how lenses and cameras are being made. The amount of hand labor that goes into manufacturing is astounding. No wonder that prices of Leica equipment are high. When seeing the adjustments made on each Leica M6, the comparison to mechanical watch manufacturing came to my mind. Leicas are really pieces of jewellery, and not just ordinary cameras made by robots.

Interesting to note, as there have been discussions on this issue in the LUG a while ago, is that Leica uses 4 different glass suppliers. Among them are 2 European (Schott is one of them) and 2 Japanese companies (Hoya is one of them). The special glasses are mostly coming from the European firms. Several of the glass/lenses manufacturing machines are unique to Leica (the manufacturer of the machine has the obligation not to sell them to foreign competion).

Thereafter we looked at our slides made on the afternoon before. Many of them were projected and commented.

In the afternoon we went again to Wetzlar for our second practical exercise, this time around the subjects of shape and color, people and architecture photography. As on day one, every participant could choose any R lenses he/she wanted, but, of course, you had to carry them yourself! This way I could test the Summilux 35/1.4, the Vario-Elmarit 28-70/3.5-4.5, the Fisheye 16/2.8 and the Vario-Elmar 105-280/4.2.

The evening was concluded with a social event, a dinner at a Turkish restaurant in Wetzlar.

Day three (Wednesday) was spent on lectures concerning the presentation of enlargements, information to films and the technical particulars and use of flashes with the various exposure modes of the R8. In the afternoon we had a look at our slides made the day before, followed by a discussion of their qualities/deficiencies.

At the end of the day all participants were awarded a LA certificate.

2. Evaluation
- ---------

This was the first English language seminar since many years. It was suggested by many that this experience would be continued and even intensified. Indeed, Leica is planning two English and two French seminars in '99: one on the R8 and one on the M6. This year was on the R8 only.

It is difficult for Leica to do much more because of the lack of instructors who are at the same time aware of technicalities and speak those languages fluently enough (if they are interested, I would gladly like to offer them my services as I speak English, French and Dutch fluently and also have a more than average active knowledge and an excellent passive knowledge of German...).

The main issue with the course was its lack of focus. This is somehow natural as it was the first course since years. But on the other hand it was never said exactly beforehand what the program was going to be about. Moreover, the participants had a very uneven background. Some of them were quite experienced, both with the R8 and other SLR's, others had no R8, and still others had an R8 but did not really seem to realize the full potential of the camera and were still on a very basic level of photography.

So the seminar had to cater for different tastes and different levels of experience. As you can already grasp from the description of the program above, the courses were a bit too general to my taste.

I am using SLR's for 16 years now, and the R8 since April '97, so I had no need to hear what at occasions was a rewording of what is already in the R8 instruction booklet (that would be useful for those who are yet familiar with the R8 only). Also, the focal length, depth of field and perspective comparisons are not what experienced amateurs would care to hear.

This is in no way meant to be criticism of the instructors, well to the contrary. They did an excellent job.

On the other hand, such basic topics are essential for beginners. So there is clearly a problem that needs further study. The LA should either organize different courses geared towards specific users (as they do with the German language courses which are always on specific topics), or they should subdivide the group into two (beginners-experienced users).

From what I hear, the seminars in '99 will again be of a general nature (read: for beginners), and specialized courses in foreign languages are only envisaged in 2000.

I would also suggest to extend the seminar to 5 days in total. The extra two days would really be beneficial, as they could be centered around specific themes like flash photography, people photography, landscapes, nudes etc.

Otherwise, the seminar was a complete success. It was good to be in Solms, to visit the factory and to see the "Heimat of the Leica". The exchanges with other participants were quite interesting. All lenses could be tested without exception (what dealer offers such an exquisite opportunity?). I could meet several Leica people I had before only known by name or via email such as Allan Karadagi from the Leica Collection department, who is also a LUGnut, and Isabel Ulzenheimer from the Leica Card section. The exchanges I had with both our instructiors were also very enlightening. Verena Mueller took the necessary steps so that the customer service could do a complete check of my R8 with winder (as a consequence of which they replaced the motorwinder contacts) and my M6 titanium (controling the accuracy of the shutter speeds). The equipment was handed over on Monday morning, and was received back on Wednesday afternoon, free of charge (under international guarantee).

On a different note, I heard many interesting and exciting things about future developments at Leica which take away most of the scepticism I have expressed on this forum about the recent Photokina releases. Leica is certainly not down and out! That was really reassuring.

All in all, I got a very favorable impression from Leica and its people. Amazing how they still continue to succeed in a world dominated by cut-throat Japanese competition. Part of the explanation will almost certainly be due to Leica's size and the devotion of their customers. As a small (by comparison) camera company there is a very special atmosphere that is immediately noticeable when you are walking around in the factory at Solms. This is a place where everybody knows everybody if you know what I mean. That must have a beneficial effect on the company itself.

I have left Solms and Wetzlar with a sense of regret. This is an exciting company with insanely great products and great people! How nice it must be to work in such an environment...

That's it for now. I will put up an extra section on my homepage when the pictures/slides are developed and let the group know. :-)

Pascal

rec.photo.misc
From: david butcher [email protected]
[1] New Beginners Photography Website
Date: Mon Jan 24 2000
Brand new Beginners Course in Photography. Learn in the comfort of your own surroundings. All you need is an email address and Internet Access.

Check us out at www.schoolofphotography.com

thanks

....

Actually, you forgot to mention you also need $190-250 for the beginner course.

tomp

Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000
From: "Susan Giles" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.marketplace
Subject: Live Chat on PhotoHighway.com - Jan 26th at 8:00pm ET

Basic Workshop: How To Learn--and Break--The Rules of Photography

Live chat on http://www.photohighway.com on Jan 26th at 8:00pm ET

Photography has rules: composition, lighting, color, etc. You learn them so you can make better pictures, right? Sometimes breaking the rules will improve your pictures even more. Elinor Stecker-Orel, author of the PhotoTimes composition series, will help you sort it all out and answer your questions.

In addition to her writing and editing contributions to PhotoHighway's Photo Times, Elinor Stecker-Orel teaches photography in the Hudson Valley area of New York. She is a former senior editor of Popular Photography.

Who should attend?: Novices to intermediate-level hobbyists. Join this informational live chat--and don't be shy!

Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000
From: "George \\Nick\\ Nichols" [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Photo schools

Check out photographyschool.com. Now have a basic photography course online for only $30.00. Based on 11 years of teaching this class at The Photography Schoolhouse in Phoenix, AZ. Nick Nichols Owner-Head Instructor

[Ed.note: Peter Burian is a noted photo editor and author...]
Date: 05 Jan 2000
From: [email protected] (PBurian)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.nature
Subject: Re: Running phototour - Feasible????

What's the big deal about being taken on a tour by a photographer as opposed to a non photographer?

Nothing if you are an expert, as in bird photography. When you go with an expert, he can give you tips in the field and in the evenings.

>Someone who paints landscapes would be just as good a tour guide.>>>

Ok, so what does he say when I'm having trouble metering a scene?

>Bird shooters would be better served by a raptor expert than a photographer.

Ok, but if the tour leader can also provide photo expertise -- like shooting birds in flight -- surely that is value added.

> After all, aren't they just going to take you to a scenic spot that you could have
>easily found on your own?

If I dropped most photogs into Jasper NP, I suspect they would blow a couple of days just trying to find good locations. And in some cases, get permits. Most people who take photo tours do not have that extra time. They want to start shooting not spend days scouting.

Not everyone should take a photo tour, even with a highly capable pro photographer. Those who have taken some good ones know what the value added is.

Or do the "big names" actually teach as part of the gig? And -what- do they teach?

Of course, although the extent varies. More so when labeled "Workshop"

Of course many times a few beers in the local pub will accomplish the same thing. After a few beers you'll hear : "Oh, you're a photographer? You should go to...".

Sorry, Keith. I travel a lot and the advice I get from non-photogs is not often too valuable. Some tell you about the cliche places. They have no idea when to go to a place; one that looks great with wildflowers in April may not be in July. They have no idea when the light is good. Often, they cannot recall how to get there.

What they call scenic may not be what you and I do. Now, if you had a book like PHOTO SECRETS: N. CALIFORNIA AND YOSEMITE, I would agree.

(see www.photosecrets.com)

Cheers,

Peter Burian

Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000
From: Ken [email protected]
Subject: Re: Photography Schools???
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc

Boy could I ever go off on this subject. As a graduate of Brooks Institute in Santa Barbara, let me say this. Use your money to buy film, cameras, how to books, and roadtrips. Photography is the land of the self taught. Successful photographers are interesting, ballsy people, and they far out weigh the types who go to schools. Same thing applies to the artworld. The truely interested people try everything, and their need to express themselves is an added power. The only advantage that I cant think of for a school is in making contacts with future art directors, and/or business partners. For this I would suggest the EXPENSIVE Art Center College of Design in Pasadena, or Pratt in Manhattan. If you are not attempting to make a living at it dont bother. Again, spend that money on materials, and experiment to pieces. Thats where the real stuff comes from.

Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000
From: questmexico [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.art
Subject: Online photo courses?

I am searching for basic/intermediate photo courses available in the web (for free, of course). My wife is marginally interested on photo, and this may help me to hook her in ;) I have just bought an old body to her, that will double as my backup.

The sites that I know are: Agfa http://www.agfaphoto.com/ Very good "lessons" on determined subjects. The closest thing that I have seen to a photo course, but mainly is a storm of ideas.

Agfanet http://www.agfanet.com/en/ There is a good "cafe" when some experts discuss about photos. Very nice place to pick up fresh ideas. (No, I do not work for Agfa; they just have an outstanding site)

Fodors on photography http://www.fodors.com/focus/ They deal about travel photographies. A bit basic, but good stuff.

Kodak: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/nav/takingPics.shtml This site is not really well structured, but have a lot of good ideas, and even some composition lessons

Light visions: http://www.larrysizemore.com/gallery.htm Outstanding photos with their "explanations" about hoy were them made. A few articles, too.

New York Institute of Photography http://www.nyip.com/ Sucky site, but good recommendations and a monthly photo discussed.

Photo net http://photo.net/photo/ A very good site, but basically with the attitude of a pro expressing his views to other pros. Their message board is great, but nasty to amateurs questions.

Online photographer http://www.photographer.demon.nl/ Still in construction, but looks like it will be an interesting source.

Zuga.net http://www.zuga.net/ Also in construction, oriented mainly to studio photographers.

Phew! Looks like I am reviewing sites, not asking for help! :) So, if you know about other sites that can help me, I will be very grateful. Thanks!

Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999
From: Denise and Tom Jenkins [email protected]
Reply to: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: TPC

Hello,

I've found your web site to be comprehensive in many ways and would like to be considered for inclusion in your links concerning online photography lessons. We present 12 free online photo technique lessons (97 pages total) written in Adobe PDF. The PDF files allow us to display high-rez photo examples without the high-rez wait time.

This is not a 'see-what-I-shot' gallery sight (even though there are over 50 photo examples online), but a serious (with dry wit) collection of lessons written in a one-on-one format to help the budding and experienced photographer alike. Based on my 25 years as a pro and teacher of photography, we strive to help, are very free with our knowledge, and try to maintain and present the most comprehensive photo technique site on the web.

We have students from around the world and even have other photography instructors using our lesson plans for their classroom presentations. We try to be the best.

Thanks for your consideration. Again, your site was very helpful to me and I would like to return the favor by giving you a good link to display.

Cordially,
Tom Jenkins
The Photo College
http://thephotocollege.com
[email protected]

Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999
From: zeitgeist [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people
Subject: Great tutorial site.

Monte Zucker and Gary Bernstein have joined up and set up a Tutorial site that is fantastic. I've looked over Monte's site extensively and he tells all, doesn't hold back, shows actual client work every week. This isn't a few hints and a tease for the videos, books, and classes, it is all there.

http:\\www.zuga.net

Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999
From: zeitgeist [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Subject: Re: education

the quality of jr college programs varies widely from districts, shop around thoroughly.

My sincerest advice, depending on what kind of photography you wish to do, look for workshops or weeklong 'colleges' put on by the professional photographers of america and their local/state affiliates. I did a year at two different jr. colleges, but I learned more actual useful knowledge that I use on a daily basis in ONE weekend than in those two years. Plus, you are with a group of motivated, working professionals, their assistants, and other just learning folks, very very little dead wood, jerks who get into photo school cause they think they won't have to actually work or study and get to take pictures of chicks. In S.cal there is the "west coast school" which is one week, I think it is twice a year. Mostof the classes are on portraits and weddings, some commercial, some digital.

Then there are fine art and/or journalism oriented workshops like they have in Yosemite, Santa Fe, Maine and others. These are probably more expensive, but still worth it.

One major advantage is that you are meeting other actual working professionals, many of whom take these classes as a means of recharging the batteries. Great for contacts.

[email protected] wrote:

> Please help with my dilemma, I'm investigating photography schools and
> am mortified by the expense.  Does anyone know of any other opportunites
> available to the poor desiring a quality education in commercial
> photography? I live in Southern California and can not afford to move.
> Brooks is too pricey and i'm not poverty stricken enough to be eligible
> for financial aid.  Any Suggestions?

Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000
From: [email protected] (G.D.Lloyd)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: A PHOTOGRAPHER WORKSHOP

April 30 - May 5, 2000 (MARS)

Mid-Atlantic Regional School Of Professional Photography

For a complete listing of classes visit our web site http://www.photoschools.com
888-267-MARS - 888-267-6277

WEDDINGS
Bambi Cantrell - Waiting List - NO OPENING
David Ziser - 9 OPENING

PORTRAITS
Greg Stangl - 2 OPENING
Joseph and Louise Simone - 3 OPENING
Robert Farber & Barbara Bordnick - 9 OPENING
Jack Holowitz - 9 OPENING

PHOTOSHOP
Dave Davies - 3 OPENING
Carl Leinbach - 2 OPENING

PPA - CERTIFICATION (CPP EXAM)
D. John McCarthy 5 OPENING

Please pass this EMail on to other photographers you may know

Register your Studio with Photographers International Network www.photographer-net.com

From: [email protected] (Curt Rosengren)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Subject: Photography information resource - updated
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999

I have just done an update on my Photo Pages, a site with direct links to online articles on a variety of topics. The topics include:

Basic Photography (updated with new links)
Developing & Printing
Film
Lighting
Travel Photography
People Photography
Nature Photography
Night Photography (new topic)
Digital Photography
Photography: Miscellaneous

The url is:

http://www.rosengren.net/photo/photopages.htm

Enjoy.

- curt
Travel Photos:
www.accessone.com/~curtr/travelphotos.htm

From: "Michael Reichmann" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: A Photoshop Curves Tutorial
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000

An excellent new article by guest contributor Miles Hecker has been published this week on The Luminous Landscape. It can be found at

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/command_primer.htm

This tutorial is a follow-up to the highly popular Instant Photoshop, and is an introduction for beginners to the use of Curves in Photoshop.

The Luminous Landscape

The web's most comprehensive independent site devoted to the art and technique of landscape photography.

www.luminous-landscape.com
[email protected]

From Leica Mailing List:
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000
From: Mike Stoesz [email protected]
Subject: [Leica] Quality of current photographers knowledge: was: Nikon f5 etc.

Michael, I agree completely.

I have been involved in photography since the mid-1950's and currently run a photolab operation in a small university town. The skills shown by the photography students finishing the basic photography and photojournalism classes is MINIMAL. Many apply to me for jobs and most cannot answer simple questions about photographic theory or control. Many do not know the difference between Kodachrome or Kodacolor. When asked to estimate the correct exposure of a scene by looking at it out the window, most cannot get within 2 exposure values of the correct exposure. They are running on automatic and do not have a clue about how photography functions. If I need an employee, I go to the High School and find a student that has had the HS photography course AND has had the 4-H photography program training. These are the kids that know how it works.

Off my soapbox for now,

Best wishes to all, Mike

.....

Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000
From: Photoeducation [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: New!

Please visit this website

http://www.photoeducation.ru

Ph.Ru Ph.Ru

[Ed. note: I am posting this photo workshop and course related link here..]
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000
From: "Gary W. Stanley" [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Albro Resource link

Workshop Instructor: Gary W. Stanley

WWW URL:www.garywstanley.com

Owner's Email Address:[email protected]

Description: Nature photographer and instructor. Leading photography seminars workshops and photo tours in New England, North America, and beyond...

Date: 30 Aug 2000
From: "Mark P. Nelson" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Online tutorials

Carl McCaskey [email protected] wrote:

: Also if anyone knows of good online tutorial for the hobbyist photographer,
: please let me know via email.

http://www.photo.net/
http://www.modernviews.com/menu.htm

--
Mark P. Nelson, Programmer/Analyst III
Department of Integrative Biology, Thomson Laboratory

[Ed.note: local photo societies can have workshops and classes...]
Date: 10 Sep 2000
From: [email protected] (John White)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.marketplace
Subject: Michigan Photo Historical Society now on-online!

The Michigan Photographic Historical Society is now on-line at www.miphs.org.

The Society encourages the collection and preservation of photographic equipment, images, photo literature, processes and techniques and the study of history of photographers and equipment, especially as related to Michigan.

MiPHS conducts several major meetings a year with speakers, films, slides, demonstrations or displays in addition to an annual dinner meeting. Other events include the annual trade show (coming up November 5) and field trips. All meetings are open to the public. Six times a year, the Society publishes its newsletter, "The Photogram."

Please visit the website and consider attending one of our upcoming events. More information is available at the site.

Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.nature
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000
From: Brad Mitchell [email protected]
Subject: Re: Lesser Known Photo Tours and Classes

In Washington State, the Coupevill Arts Center offers good photo workshops by nationally recognized photographers. I've taken two of them and think that they are pretty good. Try to get a field work shop as opposed to the workshops held at the Arts Center itself if possible.

Also, the Olympic Park Institute offers a few good photo workshop at very good prices that include food and lodging. North Cascades Institute also offers workshops, but I have not taken one of these yet.

http://www.whidbey.net/~cac/
http://www.yni.org/opi/index.htm
http://www.ncascades.org/nci/

Enjoy,
Brad Mitchell
[email protected]
http://home1.gte.net/bradjm/Photo.html

rec.photo.technique.nature
From: "David E. Price" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.technique.nature,rec.photo.technique. + people
[1] Information: Photography Teachers list started
Date: Sun Oct 29 2000

I have recently started a mailing discussion list for photography teachers to use for sharing information on resources and techniques. Below is the description.

"PhotographyTeachers is a restricted list for photography teachers and workshop leaders to share tips, techniques, lesson plans, shareware and freeware, diagrams, photography, URLs of great info resources, and anything else to make teaching easier."

Go to http://www.egroups.com/group/PhotographyTeachers for more information or to subscribe to the list.

David

Date: Sun Oct 29 2000
rec.photo.technique.nature
From: [email protected] (PBurian)
[1] Re: Lesser Known Photo Tours and Classes

The Weldon Lee photo tours site is

http://rockymountainphotoadventures.com/

However, the schedule listed at this moment is still 2000. NOT next year's.

These should give you an indication as to the types of tours and the cost.

Peter Burian

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000
From: Greg Ferguson [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.nature
Subject: Re: Lesser Known Photo Tours and Classes

Paul [email protected] wrote:

> I am looking for a photo tour or two to attend next year.  We all know
> abou the tours and classes offered by the big names such as Moose,
> Arthur Morris, and Great American Photography, etc.  I am looking for
> something that might be less known, maybe a bit less expensive, and
> without the long lead times to signup.  If you can suggest anybody
> please let me know.

Well, I'm partial to these folks...

http://www.friendsofazhighways.com

Greg

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000
From: [email protected] (Sandra Large)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Equipment vs. Education vs. Experience

Check out your local community colleges. I found an introductory photography/darkroom class class at a college nearby. It's a once a week night class, and it cost me a whopping $24 dollars to register and sign up. Yes, there are also some equipment expenses involved which put the actual total much higher, but my point is that these places can be a great source of low cost, enrichment education. Anyone can sign up (at least in CA, where I am), you don't have to be a full time student, or going for a degree or anything like that.

-Sandy

[email protected] wrote:

> [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> >
> >It's hard for me to justify spending a couple thousand dollars on a
> >week-long semimar when I could buy a new lens for the same money or spend it
> >shooting film.  I think spending a couple grand on film/processing would go
> >a long way toward learning new techniques...could go through 150 rolls for
> >that.
>
> Same here. I actually planned to take a college photography class, and
> was going to see about getting past the rule of being an art student
> to get in.
>
> Then I thought about it. The tuition for the single class would be
> $550. I would also have to spend 6 hours a week minimum in class and
> then do assignments with subjects I totally dislike.    
>
> I figured I could take that $550, and invest in the film and
> processing, and spend my time shooting subjects I like and doing my
> own studying.
>
> I just couldn't justify that much expense for a class that was not
> designed for my subject or style.
>
> Now, if one of my favorite photographers held a seminar, I might be
> bale to justify the cost since the subjects and techniques would all
> be interesting to me.
>
>
> Meghan
> Friesians in the Northwest
> http://www.zoocrewphoto.com/friesian.htm 

Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000
From: Pam Niedermayer [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.help,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.equipment.mi sc,rec.photo,rec.photo.misc
Subject: Re: Photo Workshops - a way to evaluate them

Chris,

you may want to check out the photo.net site, where there's a lot of this type information. Specifically, there's a consumer review board at

http://www.photo.net/neighbor/one-subcategory.tcl?category_id=0&id=8

And there are several other areas within this site concerned with workshop. Also, this is just a great photographer site for other things, such as rating retailers, classifieds, general information on technique, and on and on.

Pam

Chris Hutcheson wrote:

> ...Sort of a consumer's reports for photo workshops and
> courses.
>
> I've set up a forum - "Photo Workshop Reviews" - on my "vanity" website
> at http://www.chrishutcheson.com. There's no marketing slant to this,
> you won't get emails from me offering the latest cure for baldness, how
> to make millions, or anything else. There is no gallery of pictures for
> you to critique - I'm not that good - and I'm not asking you to upload
> images free (or otherwise) for some upcoming flakey publication! It's
> actually my own selfish interest at play here in learning what's good
> out there, so that the next workshop I go to is a little better than the
> last.
>
> Cheers
> Chris Hutcheson

--
Pamela G. Niedermayer
Pinehill Softworks Inc.
http://www.pinehill.com

From Sigma Lenses Mailing List ([email protected])
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000
From: Peter Blaise Monahon [email protected]
Subject: Masters of Photography: Women Photographers at the National Geographic

Permit me to share some other photographer's learning experiences. I'm having a wonderful time attending the Masters of Photography lecture series at the National Geographic Society here in Washington, DC - stimulating, revealing, and enjoyable stories from photographers. But, even if you're not here in DC at show time, you can 'attend' and browse over the web!

Browse to:

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lectures

... and explore their offering of their photographic experience. And to learn more about their current photography lecture offering, "Women Photographers at the National Geographic", browse to:

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lectures/2000fall/photography.html

... and you can also click on [Events Archive] for dozens of older photography 'lectures' - listenable to aver the web!

For last night's photography lecture, 'Balancing Acts', with photographers Sisse Brimberg and Annie Griffiths Belt - the entire show, visuals and sound, via Windows Media - browse to:

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lectures/2000fall/brimberg.html

Yes, you can attend their photography lecture free over the web! A teaser for last night's show:

"... While the challenge of balancing personal life and career is one that all photographers face, the challenge is greater for photographers who are also parents. In this fascinating look at life behind the lens, two photographers who have built successful careers while raising families will describe their approaches to this dilemma. Pioneers Sisse (pronounced "C C" or "see see") Brimberg and Annie Griffiths Belt share stories about their own balancing acts, and show some of the work that resulted from assignments that were as challenging personally as they were professionally ..."

And, of course the BOOK,

"Women Photographers at The National Geographic"

... parts of which are browsable at:

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/women/

... or BUY the book at:

http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN.Entry10?SP=10023&PN=1&V1=271916 &xid=27698

Finally, I found a wealth of other photography links at the National Geographic - photography, experiences, tips and tricks in general:

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/

... and all their photography books:

http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN.Entry10?SP=10024&PN=16&xid=2769 8&V1=37637

Enjoy!

Peter Blaise Monahon --

From: "John Shafer" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: On-line photography learning
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000

Webphotoschool is very good and Photo.net has tons of information.

I have been adding more "how to" stuff to my site recently, including sample lessons from Webphotoschool. There's also a very large photo glossary for the terminology you're having trouble with. You'll find all of that in the Photo 101 section of my site: http://www.photographyreview.com/photo101/

Welcome to a very rewarding and expensive habit!

--
John Shafer
[email protected]
www.PhotographyREVIEW.com

From hasselblad mailing list:
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000
From: Peter Klosky [email protected]
Subject: Merits of Winder

This is a topic I enjoy. In response to your question, about the only application where I think the winder would be of any utility would be shooting kids in a studio. For candid work, I would not use one.

Have you seen many of the "Photovision" training videos? They are great, and pretty reasonable at about $10 each. They feature photographers working in their studios, and most all of the children's shooters shown use the 503CW with the winder. The freedom to move around the studio and adjust the child and/or props and shoot right away does look like it is a help.

.....

Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001
From: "Photoman" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: New York Institute of Photography?

Dave,

If you do decide to try NYIP, make sure you tell them you are a veteran and you will get an additional $100 off the tuition. If you pay by credit card, you will get the $100 off for using the credit card AND the $100 for being a veteran as well, thereby saving yourself $200. I am taking the course right now even though I have been in the photography business for 11 or so years. It's a great refresher and teaches you the foundational concepts that will make you an excellent photographer. Good luck.

Michael Larsen
Worldview Photography
http://www.worldviewphoto.com

From: Tony Spadaro [email protected]
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: New York Institute of Photography?

Several people I know only through email have started the NYIP course and all ended up not finishing, in fact all were stopped at an early stage by the dorkroom lessons. I don't know if more than one course is offerend but if you don't have access to a darkroom choose a course that does not include it or you'll be stopped short too. Someone suggested

http://www.zuga.net

At least one person I know got a lot off this site.

--
Chapel Hill artist and photo restorer
http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/magor/tony

From Rollei Mailing LIst;
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001
From: Richard Knoppow [email protected]
Subject: [Rollei] Alfred Stieglitz Exhibit in D.C.

An exhibit of over 180 pieces of work by Alfred Stieglitz is upcomming at the National Gallery of Art in Washington, D.C. Details can be found at:

http://www.nga.gov/exhibitions/upcoming.htm

----
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles,Ca.
[email protected]

Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001
From: "David" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.misc
Subject: Beginners photography courses online

Hello,

If you are interested in learning photography online, winning a new SLR camera or film, or just monthly tips'n'tricks in our FREE ezine, please go to http://www.schoolofphotography.com

Thank you,

[email protected]

rec.photo.equipment.35mm
From: [email protected]
[1] Photo Tips
Date: Thu Feb 01 2001 I thought that it would be a good idea to put down some photo tips from a photogrpahy seminar that I attended last year. If you have any tip, it would be an interesting post and appreciated.

Shoot from the shadow side of the picture for depth
Open up you lens with portrait lenses
Stop down with 21mm all the way
Omit distracting skies
Get close to the subject to the strongest part of a pattern
Get low- go in tight towards subject
Shoot at night before the sky is dark
Keep the horizon straight- hold the camera straight
Shoot eyes focus on the near eye- make the closest point to you sharp
On macro lenses focus on the closest point
Shoot in available light
Find an interesting spot with light , wait for people then shoot.
Open up 1 f-stop in fog or snow
Use mirrored and watered reflections and watered streets.

Good shooting.

Edward

Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Links and resources

Hello,

I recently enjoyed visiting your site, and would like to exchange links with you. We are a free educational site with a wide range of topics, including photography and camera equipment.

Our site's URL: www.learn-cameras-photography.com

Photography Guide:

Regards,
Helena Adams

www.learn-cameras-photography.com
[email protected]

From: "David" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.misc
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001
Subject: new glamour course online

Hello,

School of Photography.com have a new online course on Glamour Photography. The course is aimed at beginners or amateurs. Take a look

http://www.schoolofphotography.com

Date: 31 Jul 2001
From: [email protected] (Simon McDonald)
Newsgroups: uk.rec.photo.misc
Subject: Re: Courses in photography

Take a look at the photography course offered by the Open College of the Arts. I haven't tried it myself yet (studying elsewhere at present) but it looks interesting.

http://www.oca-uk.com/

Regards

Simon.

Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001
From: zeitgeist [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people
Subject: Re: Which professional organizations do you belong to?

> As I am beginning to go from serious amateur towards professional in my  photo
> work, was wondering what organizations people here belong to and what services
> and advantages there are to the different organizations you belong to.

I belong to my local association and will join the state. I used to belong to the national PPA.

advantages to joining local associations:
video tape library
networking with other pros
get to visit in other studios/homes
have people to call in case of illness

periodic print competitions

listen to speakers at monthly meetings
attend workshops and seminars periodically

often have group health and business insurance
vendors offer other services,
merchant credit card accounts
credit union (?)
labs
art services like retouchers etc

attend state conventions
attend a bunch of lectures etc in a few days
enter and/or watch print judging/critiques
trade shows

often as member of the state associations you get invites from other 'sponsored' speakers, fuji, art leather, proshots and kodak have traveling demos and seminars and occasionally thinly disguised sales pitches.

PPA offers/requires indeminty insurance, you are offered limited coverage for royally screwing up a wedding (or just royally pissing off a client so they sue about something.) They also have a slick magazine (which you can get separately)

Then there is the Chamber of Commerce

network with high pressure sales people (don't use your cell phone in your membership listing

schmoose with politicians
join a committe to plan an award dinner, more schmoosing only with better nicer people.

some chamber events are way cool singles mixers.
(watch it ladies some ain't single.)
(watch it guys, some of these ladies research resume's.)

chambers also have health and other insurance deals.

you tend to get invited to restaurant opennings, open houses, other interesting 'happenings' that you often see as puff pieces on the news.

Convention and visitors beurro (in 30 years I've never ever learned to spell that)

mostly the same stuff as the chamber except you get first hand info on incoming conventions, can be handy info for many photogs.

Caterers and Event planners. ACE (?)

especially for wedding photogs, network with the places that the big bucks spending brides will be booking with. Hey if these folks like you, your gold.

Various charitable orgs,

When people work together for the community good, other good things happen. And I don't mean that in any Pollyanna way. People will refer to people that they have dealt with, worked with, and, as in the Chamber awards dinners etc, are a good way to network with a lot people that many many other people respect.

Many photogs have built careers out of their charitiable associations. One of the best is when the photog does portraits of the business person of the year, the communities 'best' etc. For many social situations, a photog is 'validated' by the people they photograph.

This reply echoed to the z-prophoto mailing list at yahoogroups.com to join send a blank email to: [email protected]

From: "Bram" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Online Courses
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001

....
A few sites from which I learned something in the past few years. Maybe 
you will too.

Have Fun!

Bram

http://www.agfaphoto.com/library/photocourse/index.html
http://www.photo.net/photo/building-an-slr-system.html
http://www.fodors.com/focus/
http://www.photozone.de/metering.htm#cw
http://www.kodak.com/US/en/nav/takingPics.shtml
http://www.photo.net/photo/macro.html
http://www.photo.net/photo/tutorial/
http://www.nyip.com/index.html
http://spotmetering.com/
http://library.thinkquest.org/25780/index.shtml
http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/magor/tony/
http://www.cliffshade.com/dpfwiw/polarizer.htm 
http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/photo_world/index.htm
http://photostart.net/directory/



[Ed. note: roll your own workshop or classes with a fun vacation program!...]
From: "Jay S. McMullan" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: Mr. Picker
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002


I never had the opportunity to meet Fred Picker or Ansel Adams. I grew up in
a small town in the Texas panhandle and had to teach myself photography. I
will be forever greatful to men like Picker and Adams for their
contributions to my life's love of photography.

I am older now and look back to the great masters with much respect. I would
hope that the masters of today can be as close as some of the old masters
were.

For this reason, I want to start yearly photo tours.

What is a PHOTO TOUR???? Well let me tell you!  A PHOTO TOUR is a time for
like minded photographers to join with me and my wife for a few days of
photography and fun. Its all free and is limited to a small number of
serious photographers. You don't have to be a professional and you don't
have to use the same kind of equipment that I do.

We will meet at a specified location and join together making some great
photographs and then, in the evening, sit around a campfire and tell stories
and eat a good old Texas style BBQ.

You pay for your transportation, housing, meals, film, etc. I'll be camping
which is pretty darned cheap and you can pitch a tent right next to me if
you want. I'll provide the fixin's for the BBQ on one of the nights.

Now, where is this going to take place? Well, hopefully as we get them
going, they will be held in different locations around the USA. This one
will be held near Moab, Utah. Arches National Park and Canyonlands National
Park are nearby and offer incredible opportunities for great exposures! If
you have a Jeep or 4 wheel drive vehicle, this is a great place to get off
road to find some fantastic images.

So, basically, a PHOTO TOUR is just a time for like minded photographers
(Fine Art Photographers in this case) to get together and have a great time,
make friends, share experiences, share techniques, and so on.

I am thinking of scheduling this PHOTO TOUR in October 2002. If you are
interested, drop me an e-mail.

Jay McMullan
[email protected]
UtahWest.com



Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 
From: Denise Miotke [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Linking to BetterPhoto.com

Hi there,

Would you mind linking to our site?

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features a free monthly photo contest, online courses, and great tips for
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Reciprocal linking is always welcome. Feel free to make a link to your site
using our Add a Link page:
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Thank you,

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[email protected]

Author of "The Absolute Beginner's Guide to Taking Great Photos"
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[Ed. note: this may be of interest, if only on self-promotion ;-) for your info..]
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 
From: "shootSMARTER.com" [email protected]
To: Robert Monaghan [email protected]
Subject: Hi Robert, ever check out shootSMARTER.com?


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From Nikon MF mailing List:
From: "Chiang, Joseph" [email protected]
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 
Subject: [Nikon] Searching for video on light & filters (Lloyd Lezotte)

Lloyd,

Dean Collins, a well known commercial portraiture and glamour photographer has
put out some really great videos on lighting.

He's got his own theories on lighting (3D Lighting and Chromazone) and he shows
how you can get very professional lighting with minimal equipment.  Check out
his website at http://www.deancollins.com/flvideo.html.  I remember buying a
couple of his videos through B&H many years ago.  His videos "3D Contrast" and
Lighting Basics 1 and 2 are great starts.

Good luck with your class.

Joe



From camera fix mailing list;
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 
From: "Robert Chiasson" [email protected]
Subject: Re: Camera Repair Course

Correspondence is the only way left.

Try http://www.cchomestudy.com/ or

 http://www.natcam.net/catalog/intropage.html

The two schools are different, National Camera being the traditional school
for mechanical cameras and C & C concentrating in modern electronic cameras.
Take a good look at both, ask questions and dig real deep into your wallet.

------
Robert



From: Al Patrick [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Photography course online
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002


The following url gives a brief photography course online, from choosing a
camera to processing the film.

It is basic - containing four long pages, but should be great for newbies or as
a refresher.

http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/russell/86/basphoto1.html

Al



From: Al Patrick [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: F-stops and shutter speeds
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002


http://www.photo-seminars.com/Basic35mm/lesson2.htm

Looks like a pretty good url also.

*** Nice illustration of the f-stop / shutter speed relationship. ***

Looks like an online photography course.  From there you can go back one page.
 To go to lesson three you need to enter a username and password.   I didn't
proceed.

Al


From: "Art Begun" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: My pictures are too good
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002


Actually you reminded me of a photo course I took in college.

It was senior year and a bunch of us chem majors decided to take a fun
course so we decided to take a photo course.  We didn't really like
the prof and he didn't like us.  We weren't "art-sy" enuf being chem
majors and he insulted our work at every class.  We probably deserved
it.

We didn't really care about grades at this point... second semester
senior year.  So for my final project I decided that all photography
would take place in my dorm room with the lights off.  I grapped 2
flashes and my camera and took a bunch of pictures each with the
shutter on bulb and setting off the flashes by hand.  I think I
covered them with handkerchiefs to reduce their out put.  My hands and
the flashes were in the picture of what ever I was photographing.  So
each picture was basically black with 2 hands holding flashes and the
object.  In some cases the object was my leg (wearing Levi's...
nothing risquee here at all).

I developed and printed the pictures and without showing them to
anyone submitted the project.  Pretty much forgot about it at that
point.

A few days later my 2 classmates show up all excited with a hand
written note from the prof expressing his excitement over the project
and my improvement.  I thought my classmates  had written the note
themselves and were pulling my leg but it was indeed genuine.  I got
an "A-" in the class.

"John Stafford" [email protected] wrote
>
> Money is no object! I desperately need to diminish the quality of my
> photography! And it's not easy.  Due to my reputation for integrity  and
> excellence, I'm finding it very difficult to keep people from taking my work
> seriously. Last week I shot three rolls of film through my SWC blindfolded
> as I walked through a public park.  Now I have people clamoring to purchase
> prints.
>
> Help Me!


[Ed. note: probably long gone and sold, but listed as some ideas on specialty videos...]
From: "Flash Gordon" [email protected]
Newsgroups:
rec.photo.marketplace,rec.photo.marketplace.35mm,rec.photo.marketplace.darkroom,
rec.photo.marketplace.digital
Subject: Intruction video tapes forsale
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002


For Sale:
All tapes are original not copies and in fine condition.
approaching retirement  and clearing out space

Finelight Series by Dean Collins
 Volume 9 : tabletop catalog tenhiques
 Volume II : Location/Large production  (2 Copies)
 Volume I : A week in the life of a studio with Dean and Commercial
Illustration
 Volume 6 : Glamour using Chromazones
 Volume 8 : Fashion/ Location
 Volume 2 : A week in the like of a studio  and Contemporary Portraiture
 Volume 3 :  Commercial Portraitures
 Volume 10: Wedding with Monty Zucker
Dean Collins on 3 dimensional contrast. Principles of Photo lighting.


Fred Picker Series:
 Photographing with Fred Picker
 Printing with Fred Picker
 Photographic Technique

Charles J. Lewis M. Photog. Cr.
 Posing the female
 Posing the Male

Brian Ratty
 Photographic Design
 Choice of camera,Lens choice, Framing,design , Psychology of color

 The Studio
  Studio and product Lighting, large format cameras, people Photography

Frank Cricchio
 Module III
 Lighting and posing Couples
 Male Executives Studio Portraits

James Schmelzer
 Quality of Light Studio lighting
 Ken Marcus Workshop advance Glamour Technique

Each tape $10.00 plus shipping est about $4.00 per tape
money order or check is fine. Contact me before you mail check.

email [email protected]



[Ed. note: this is an example of a very low cost traveling workshop...]
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002
From: Jim Brick [email protected]
Subject: [HUG] Hasselblad workshop announcement

On October 10th, 13th, and 17th, I will be assisting Hasselblad in giving a
workshop in picturesque Sausalito.

The workshop consists of the evening of Thursday October 10th, going over
the Sunday itinerary and discussing equipment.

Then Sunday October 13th will be a full day of photography starting under
the north tower of the Golden Gate bridge. The day will consist of
photography around the bridge, in and around picturesque Sausalito,
finishing at the Marin headlands to photograph the Golden Gate bridge with
San Francisco behind it and to photograph Point Bonita light house from a
point just north of the lighthouse.


And then the following Thursday evening, Oct 17th, will be another get
together to get your film back (processed at the New Lab.) Everyone will
pick two slides and mount them in supplied Gepe mounts. Everyone's slides
will be projected using a Hasselblad PCP80 projector. There will be a
critique of the slides.

Both Thursday evening get togethers will be held at the Keeble and Shuchat
gallery, 290 California Ave. in Palo Alto, CA.

There will be twelve Hasselblad 501 systems with 80mm CFE lenses and A12
backs (supplied by Hasselblad USA) to be loaned out to those who don't have
their own Hasselblad. There will be a few lenses of different focal lengths
to loan out as well. This is an opportunity for those who do not yet own a
Hasselblad to use one for an entire day, with assistance if needed.

I will primarily be assisting those photographers using 203 and 205 cameras
while Peter Power (the Hasselblad rep,) and Terry Shuchat will be assisting
photographers using 500 series cameras.

Kodak will also be there and will supply everyone with three rolls of 120
Ektachrome film. Processing is included in the workshop price.

Lunch will be provided as well.

This should be a really fun time. So if you are interested, I urge you to
sign up ASAP as the workshop is limited to 25 participants. The cost is
$45. Call (650) 327-8515

Jim 



Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 
From: Software Cinema [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Photoshop Training Camp

If you and your staff could study with the world's
finest Photo/Digital and Photoshop instructors,
would you?

See the Photoshop Training Camp!

Software Cinema brings you today's leading digital imaging
expert's that present practical and proven Adobe Photoshop
and imaging techniques in vivid detail. The day is full
of methodically produced high definition Quicktime demonstrations.

There will be two rooms running simultaneously with your choice
of Photoshop Fundamental or Advanced techniques (see topics below).

Don't miss this wonderful opportunity to learn from the world's
greatest image-makers. (See who they are on our web site)

All for a low cost of $20. (online registration)

Remember to register online & save - Door Registration: $40.00

Register online and print your ticket/receipt. This allows
you to enter our Training Camp at any time!

The following is our schedule in Texas:

AUSTIN - October 7, 2002
Austin Convention Center
500 E. Cesar Chavez
Austin TX 78701

DALLAS - October 21, 2002
Arlington Convention Center
1200 Ballpark Way
Arlington, TX 76011

LUBBOCK - October 28, 2002
Lubbock Memorial Civic Center
1501 6th Street
Lubbock, TX 79401

HOUSTON - November 11, 2002
George R. Brown Convention Center
1001 Avenida de las Americas
Houston, TX 77010

Photoshop presentations: 9:30am to 4:00pm

Register online for this event by going to
http://www.software-cinema.com

Remember to PRINT your ticket/receipt for entry any
time during our Photoshop Training Camp.

The following is a list of topics
to be shown in two separate rooms.

FUNDAMENTAL TECHNIQUES
 Understanding The Photoshop Workspace
 Setting Up Photoshop Preferences
 Opening Files
 Navigating Your Digital Image
 Straightening An Image
 Tonal Control Of Your Image
 Adjusting Image Size
 Basic Layer Controls
 Basic Selections
 Correcting Flaws
 Basic Masking Techniques
 Understanding Filters
 Creating Edges In Photoshop
 Using The Liquefied Tool Effectively
 Typography Tools
 Multiple Formats Of Saving Your Image
 Printing In Photoshop

ADVANCED TECHNIQUES
 Advanced Photoshop Work Area
 Correcting Color In Photoshop
 Mastering The Healing Brush
 Advanced Layer Techniques
 Luminosity Masking Techniques
 Mastering The Graphic Tablet
 Creating Custom grayscale
 Retouching Wrinkles In Photoshop
 Image Composting
 Color Management
 Applying Photographic Enhancements
 Painting with Pixels
 Creating Wedding Albums With Photoshop
 Displacement Mapping
 Glamour Photography With Photoshop
 Advanced Retouching In Photoshop


From leica topica mailing list:
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 
From: "Douglas Herr"[email protected]
Subject: Re: film vs digital FYI

> What I want is a retreat where i can learn to
> take my 35 mm or medium
> format negs, scan them and then use photoshop
> to dodge, born, maybe even
> duotone tint then output.

http://www.photoclassroom.com/

Doug Herr
Birdman of Sacramento
http://www.wildlightphoto.com


From leica topica mailing list:
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 
From: "Bill Lawlor" [email protected]
Subject: Re: Photoshop workshops


Michael wrote: What I want is a retreat where i can learn to take my 35 mm or medium
format negs, scan them and then use photoshop to dodge, born, maybe even
duotone tint then output.

If you or anyone else hears of such a workshop, send THAT along!

---------------------

I will recommend the excellent range of workshops offered by
photoclassroom.com near Yosemite. I took the intensive two day intermediate
Photoshop and digital printing workshop by Reik Seiling last month. It was
superb! They have a Tango scanner and Epson 9600 printer as well as super
Mac G4 workstations for each student. We worked all day, shared meals
together, and worked into the night. Intensive! They have a range of
workshops for differing interests.

Bill Lawlor


From: "Mike" [email protected]
Newsgroups: uk.rec.photo.misc
Subject: Re: BFP course in freelance photography
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002


"Jason Yates" [email protected] wrote
> Does anyone know anything about the BFP freelance photography course (the
> one found in here: http:\\www.thebfp.com\)...
>
> I have seen all of the blurb and brochure, but does anyone have any
> experience of the course and could comment, recommend or slate it???
>
> Thanks for any help....


Jason,

I contributed to a thread on the BFP course in early November, searching on
Google on this newsgroup for "Home based courses?" should bring it up.

I'm on the BFP course at the moment, am enjoying it, and believe that I'll
get the value back, and hopefully more.

The nub of my thread was about your reasons for taking the course; if you
are looking to become a better photographer then you might be better off
buying books/videos or taking a specific workshop or seminar in your area(s)
of specialism (landscape, wildlife, portraiture). However, if you are
looking to becoming a jobbing freelancer, submitting to magazines,
publishers and stock libraries and making money on your photos then this
looks like a low cost, tutor supported means of doing so.

The additional benefit of the BFP course is that you get the "Market
Newlsetter" that provides requires in the market for that month, and as I
recently discovered some absolute bargains on kit through the Professional
Photographer site (got a Tamrac photo rucksack  valued at �160  for �80 !!!)
which are also open to members of the BFP and course attendees.

Your feedback in lesson 1 is likely to be generic in nature and standard
paragraphs - my lesson 2 feedback was specific, useful and constructive. I'm
just getting into the course and preparing my first submission to a
magazine. You might want to see if there is anyone prepared to comment on
this ng who is on the latter part of the course....

Hope this helps
Mike


From nikon mf mailing list:
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 
From: Mitch Winkle [email protected]
Subject: Re: Photo Workshops

In October of last year, I attended "Photography at the Summit" in
Jackson Hole, WY.  It is run by Rich Clarkson and Associates out of
Denver.

I felt that it was well run and we had access to some big names in
photography and in the editor arena as well (in my case Tom Mangelson,
David Alan Harvey, Jodi Cobb, Bill Epperidge, Dave Black, Charles
Lindsey were the photogs, and we had 3 editors, George Olsen (Sunset
Mag), Rich Clarkson (frmr photo editor at Nat Geo), and Shiela
Buckmaster (Nat Geo Traveler)).  All of the "instructors" were very
accessible and willing to lend their opinion and suggestions.

BONUS #1: Nikon Technical Services has a rep there (Ron Tanawaki) with
about 6 shipping crates FULL of all things Nikon.  I borrowed a 300
f/2.8 ED AF-S and a 600 f/4 ED AF-S and some teleconverters.  They had
F-100's, F-5's and D1's galore.  All the latest goodies.

BONUS #2: For the digitally inclined, Apple G4 workstations with the
killer Apple displays, Nikon film scanner, a 2 hour D1 "how-to" program
for the uninitiated on the first day.

Days run like this:

dawn - 9:00 a.m. - SHOOT!  In the Grand Tetons, there's no shortage of
subject matter.  Wildlife and nature at every turn.  Great people in
Jackson Hole make for wonderully animated people subjects if you
prefer.

~9:00 turn in yesterday evening's/this morning's film for processing
($7/roll) to be returned by 2:00 pm the same day.  This is followed by
a presentation on various topics from the staff.  After that, each
student supplies up to 3 photos from the previous day for classroom
critique by any and all.

12:00 noon'ish break for lunch and one-on-one appointments with the
staff until the morning's slides come back around 2:00 p.m.

Afternoon to shoot, edit, sleep, whatever...(I preferred a nice hot
tub.)  Gotta get that twilight in the Rockies....wonderful.

Each evening at 8:00 p.m., there were either one or two of the staff
presenting in an auditorium (the setting is a museum BTW).  One
presentation of note on my trip was that of Bill Epperidge.  Bill
traveled with the Bobby Kennedy campaign and was the photographer who
took that last shot of him in the kitchen of the Hotel.  It was
wonderfully moving.

The staff and whomever cares to hangs out at a local watering hole in
the evenings too.

So you get about 5 days like that in a wonderful place in the early
Autumn when the large mammals are quite active.

If you want more info re: the Clarkson workshops, seek out

http://www.richclarkson.com and find the Workshops link.

Mitch

--- Ernest Nitka [email protected]> wrote:
> Am interested in recommendations from people who liked a particular
> workshop, what they took and why they liked it.  Am starting to look
> around
> and it seems everybody and their little brother offers them.  Need
> help and
> pointers.
>
> Thanks
>
> ernie nitka


From nikon MF mailing list:
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 
From: "peninhal" [email protected]
Subject: Re: Photo Workshops

Ernie,

    If you just have a weekend, John Shaw puts on a great Sat/Sun seminar.
The first day he presents a lot of his great pics and how he set about
taking them.  The second day is mostly about how to market your pics - How
to get into the pro market.

    He is openly a Nikon/Fuji fan, while he is not sponsored by either, he
gives away boxes of Fuji film at breaks.  He is also openly snobbish about
those of use who still use manual focus gear, implying you should be using
an F5 or the newest D1 gear like him.

    I still learned a lot from John.

Harold



From: Steve Kramer [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: NYIP Course
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002

Andy-J wrote:
>
> Any thoughts on NYIP as a program that will help with this?  Or are
> retreat-type workshops better (and if so, which ones)?

I took their course, and will say without hesitation that it was the
single best thing I ever did to improve my photographic skills. I didn't
complete it, as the remaining class was nothing I was interested in, but
the first 5 were spot on! That was several years ago. I have learned a
lot more since taking that course, but nothing compares with the over
all content and simplicity of the learning method. I had plenty of
personal attention and individual critiquing of my photos while I was
involved with NYIP and would recommend this course to anyone who
dislikes the classroom setting but want to improve their photographic
skills. This is NOT to imply that other methods are bad... just that
speaking from personal experience, NYIP was very good for me.

Steve Kramer
Chiang Mai, Thailand
http://www.photoenvisions.com 



From Photography Teachers Mailing List:
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 
From: "caroleigh [email protected]
Subject: Kodak online course guide - darkroom

Kodak offers an online course/guide for photo instructors wishing to
teach darkroom techniques. I added this site to the "links" section
in this group, but here's the address:

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/consumer/education/lessonPlans/darkroom/fullCourse.shtml

Carol Leigh
http://www.photoexplorations.com


From: "ajacobs2" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Free Digital Solutions Seminar ( Review)
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003


Digital Solutions Seminar, Hilton Hotel, Tampa, Florida  1/23/03  (Review)

Normally I don't endorse too many things, I'm a chronic tear it apart-er.
You'll usually see me condemning things rather than praising them. Thursday
evening I attended a $49.00 "Free"  Seminar given by Digital Solutions.  You
get the free passes at their website. Now I'm one of those who believes you
get nothing for nothing....till I saw a list of the players in the event.
Kind of heavy hitters so there had to be something to it.  Besides I figured
there would be some of the reps there I knew and they were.  The sponsors /
exhibitors were:

Art Leather/GNP www.artleather.com Burrell Colour  www.burrellprolabs.com
Canon, USA  www.usa.canon.com
Eastman Kodak  www.kodak.com/go/professional  Epson America, Inc
www.epson.com  Hasselblad, USA  www.hasselbladusa.com  Marathon Press
www.marathonpress.com  PhotoVision  www.photovisionvideo.com
Quantum Instruments  www.qtm.com  Backgrounds by Maheu
www.backgroundsbymaheu.com  ColorVision
www.colorvision.com  F.J. Westcott Company  www.fjwestcott.com  Iview
MultiMedia  Center For Digital Imaging, Inc.
www.cdiny.com  Lexar Media, Inc.  www.lexarmedia.com  Lexjet  www.lexjet.com
Nik Multimedia, Inc.  ww.nikmultimedia.com  Tamrac, Inc.  www.tamrac.com

Solid companies, first class hotel for the venue, trade show an hour before
hand and the wife was out shopping.  It was watch either football hype or
head across the bay.  Thirty minutes later in blustering 30 degree
temperature ( I'm in Florida and that's not supposed to happen) I arrived
with my partner and another wedding ( Film Only) 25 year veteran.  A solid
200 plus were there and many were the pros in our area who have gone digital
or are teetering on the fence. I think a few who teetered fell over.

Ed Pierce gave the almost three hour infomercial style presentation, much of
it was on the big screen but the sound and visuality even in the crowded
room was excellent.  The other part was live.  It melded well. And it was
one of the more interesting ones I have attended. Most are dull boring
endorsements.  Ed is a funny, likable kind of pro not too amassed with
himself.  BIG screens and fairly interesting professional photographers
getting into the mix.  Different techniques, but the attitudinal change is
evident.  Sort of  "if you believe you will come".  That's digital on the
pro level, big commitment in training, expense and attitude.

The time was spent covering almost every realm of the digital workflow from
the shooters perspective in two areas.  Watch the wording here...two areas.
Portraits and Weddings. On the professional level, not the hobbyist level,
because the majority of the seminar is built around the ability to earn
money at this to afford twenty thousand dollar rigs...  If you are a
hobbyist, amateur, birder, or shoot model cars, the kids or non-pro sports
events you can stop reading now.

This is digital studio, digital wedding on location, albums and workflow
process. This is big backdrops, full time, big lights or at least very large
windows.  This is an assistant or two, the whole enchilada. This is not my
Nikon 950 with a Stroboframe and a SunPak 266 loaded with four NiMH and off
with business cards reading PRO under your name.

This is high end digital based on two formats, the full sensor CANON with
the 11 meg files, the inbound full sensor Kodak 14N and Zeus, the Hasselblad
Rep had the Medium Format Hasselblad / Fuji / Digital back ( sell the house
honey I want one) system. If you gotta ask what it costs, you're not a
player, I didn't ask.  I'm already into three Bronica systems.  I'm probably
going for the H20 and an adapter as soon as they are reasonable. I already
have a D1 and a D100.  On the Kodak side in one scenario one of the shooters
is waiting on delivery of three 14N's....about $15,000 plus ancillary
gear...which after you go digital amounts to another 50%.

But the FujiBlad or Hasselji was there and I touched it and held it. In fact
I didn't want to give it back but the nasty hotel guard said I had to. Next
time I'll  remember to bring my black balaclava and running shoes.   It's
all there, and after reading all the speculation about this camera and the
remarks made by those who repeat what they read and never touched one, just
ignore them.  The camera business differs from the movie business. If you go
by movie reviewers you'll miss half the good stuff out there. With camera
reviewers, if you believe all they tell you, you'll get half a camera.

And a table full of Canon 1Ds's, D60's and all the options you never see
were there.  As hard as I tried,  no word from either Canon guy as to the
D60's demise and the new D-xx.  Tight lipped, no comment. Must of been the
most popular question asked there other than "where are the restrooms"?  For
a Nikon guy of forty years now, those Canons were appealing and I used to
hate the Canons because I was a dealer in the ooops, my AE-1 crashed again
days.

There were reps from two of the best labs in the country.  Reedy
Photoprocess who just sunk a ton of shekels in new state of the art digital
equipment and Burrell Labs who are geared for digital printing from these
massive files onto PAPER or Inkjet).


But the prints exhibited blew you away. There were LARGE, very large prints
(30x40) made by Burrell labs of the digital images shown on the big movie
screen. Prints of the same subject, same lighting, same location only
difference was the film back on the Hasselblad and then the digital back.
You had to see them to believe it.

There were also samples of equal size by the 35mm format size and digital
cameras of that size.  Let me make a statement here.  Here go the flames.
Unless you are hiding in a cave in Afghanistan, the pro-level digital arena
is alive and well.  There are labs, techniques and equipment to surpass
film.  It's that simple. It's not the OLY 5050, Nikon 5700, or Canon G3
crowd.  Forget the math geniuses and the numbers and the debaters and the
master debaters.  Here are the pictures, the prints, no BS, the end result.
Remember the defining role of the word PRO. Simplified it means you earn
MONEY at it and this is what it takes. The process is there if you can
afford it. Simplified even further, if your business can support it, you
will eventually be in it.  The other part is the training and disciplines,
the work was shot by pros. Pro shooter, pro gear, pro lab, pro results.

The Photoshop and Painter technique phase were enlightening.  It was worth
going if you just paid attention to the white balance and the exposure
segments or techniques.  Ed makes a reflector with Black / 18% Grey / White
face for dialing in exposure for your camera and a White side for White
balance.  He demonstrated a technique combined with Photoshop to easily plug
in your own corrections for light balance in changing venue as at a wedding.
The aisle, the return, then add flash, and then outdoors probably create
four different white settings for the digital shooter. Ed's ( patent
pending) reflector is the slickest idea I have seen.

In fact I had to buy one of those reflectors as he was explaining something
I had in the back of my mind and his solution was three hundred dollars less
than mine.  The reflector was $99.00 at the show and it's made by Westcott
who make some of the best stuff.

Sooner or later the sales pitch came. Ed makes DVD Photo Technique training
aids for both the film and the digitally handicapped shooter.   His DVD's on
Weddings and Portraiture are outstanding because they are on site in actual
shoots by the real guys doing real weddings. Prices were reasonable and not
out of line. I bought one. The three of us watched it and came to the same
conclusion.  There are enough ideas in there to uncloud the head of a
serious amateur and raise the bar.   We are going to order a few more. They
are excellent teaching DVD's.

But I just had to have the reflector, I drove 50 miles in freezing
temperatures (in Florida) and had to come home with something. I told you
the wife was out shopping and she came home with something...I knew that
would happen.

They were gone in seconds...It's good to be first on line...I'm using mine
already.


The show is traveling to 68 cities in the US and you can find the schedule
on their site which is at
http://www.digitalphotosolutions.net/   Ours was at capacity.  Every seat
taken.

There is no obligation to buy anything, no pressure, just a very
enlightening evening, but I got a fair bet when you see that reflector,
you'll jump faster than me.  I left with very positive vibes and  just
awaiting the Kodak release on the 14N. Or a radical price drop on the
Phaseone or other medium format back.  But there is the PMA in forty days
and we'll see what's debuting there.  I will keep this posted on my website
with the pictures of that reflector.  I will also have my ass-kicking
machine on wondering why didn't I think of that idea with the reflector.

Again, I have nothing to gain here and being the skeptic that I am, I am
happy I attended and impressed with the professionalism of that show.

--
Al Jacobson
Website:    www.aljacobs.com



Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 
From: Software Cinema [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: See the New Photoshop 7 Training Camp

The Texas School of Professional Photographers is hosting
the Software Cinema Photoshop 7 Training Camp in 3 locations in Texas.

Dallas is next Monday (see dates below)

Software Cinema brings you today's leading digital imaging
experts that present practical and proven Adobe Photoshop
and imaging techniques in vivid detail. The day is full
of methodically produced high definition Quicktime demonstrations.


The New Training Camp will be two rooms running simultaneously with your
choice of Photoshop 7 Fundamental or Advanced techniques (see topics
below).

Don't miss this wonderful opportunity to learn from the world's
greatest image-makers.

All for a low cost of $20. (online registration)

Remember to register online & save - Door Registration: $40.00

Register online and print your ticket/receipt. This allows
you to enter our Training Camp at any time!

The following are the dates & locations:


DALLAS - October 21, 2002
Arlington Convention Center
1200 Ballpark Way
Arlington, TX 76011

LUBBOCK - October 28, 2002
Lubbock Memorial Civic Center
1501 6th Street
Lubbock, TX 79401

HOUSTON - November 11, 2002
George R. Brown Convention Center
1001 Avenida de las Americas
Houston, TX 77010

Photoshop presentations: 9:30am to 4:00pm

Register online for this event by going to
http://www.software-cinema.com

Remember to PRINT your ticket/receipt for entry any
time during our Photoshop Training Camp.

You will be able to see presenter information and directions
to the Training Camp on our web site.

The following is a list of topics on Photoshop 7
to be shown in two separate rooms.

FUNDAMENTAL TECHNIQUES
 Understanding The Photoshop Workspace
 Setting Up Photoshop Preferences
 Opening Files
 Navigating Your Digital Image
Straightening An Image
 Tonal Control Of Your Image
 Adjusting Image Size
 Basic Layer Controls
 Basic Selections
 Correcting Flaws
 Basic Masking Techniques
 Understanding Filters
 Creating Edges In Photoshop
 Using The Liquefied Tool Effectively
 Typography Tools
 Multiple Formats Of Saving Your Image
 Printing In Photoshop

ADVANCED TECHNIQUES
 Advanced Photoshop Work Area
 Correcting Color In Photoshop
Mastering The Healing Brush
 Advanced Layer Techniques
 Luminosity Masking Techniques
 Mastering The Graphic Tablet
 Creating Custom grayscale
 Retouching Wrinkles In Photoshop
 Image Composting
 Color Management
 Applying Photographic Enhancements
 Painting with Pixels
 Creating Wedding Albums With Photoshop
 Displacement Mapping
 Glamour Photography With Photoshop
 Advanced Retouching In Photoshop



From photography teachers mailing list:
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 
From: Bill Diebold [email protected]
Subject: Re: Re: Portfolio software OT

Hello everyone,


Okay.....I have posted a website built around my classes (photography) here:

http://www.debold.com/classes

Let me know if you have any suggestions.

Bill


From minolta mailing list:
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 
From: "Bill P." [email protected]
Subject: Re: Epson Print Academy

--- In [email protected], Bob Hrodey rth@h... wrote:
> Has anyone attended one of Epson's Print Academy workshops? If so, did you
> feel it was worthwhile?

Bob, I attended the session held in Atlanta on Feb 22. It was a sold
out meeting. The program was led by Vincent Versace (a prof.
photographer from CA with lots of awards). Vincent is quite a
showman and did a great job of presenting the various topics. The
prog. consisted of videos of various photographers addressing
particular topics- for example,printing flesh tones, dodging and
burning,ink and paper, Adobe PhotoShop etc. Between the video
segments Vincent made remarks and comments, plus, answered questions
from the audience. The main focus of the program was using the Epson
2200 printer and PhotoShop 7. Even though I do not use either the
2200 or PS 7, I do feel that I learned some helpful things.

Epson reps were there to answer questions during the breaks and
after the program. There was a "goodie" bag for each of us with an
Epson Print Academy baseball cap, a very nice Epson ballpoint pen
and other items. The cont. b'fast was very nice and the snacks at
break were nice also. I enjoyed the informal chats while snacking.
Mostly gray haired men, like me, attended. There were a few women,
but not many...also a few younger men.

Would I go again, probably not. However, I do feel that it was worth
the $39. I had hoped for some more "hands on" with my 1280 printer.
Be forewarned, Vincent has been a digital shooter for 5 years now
and has nothing good to say about film. By a show of hands, most
attending were digital shooters and those with whom I chatted were
digital shooters.

Cheers! Bill P.


From: "Nicholas O. Lindan" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format,rec.photo.darkroom
Subject: Lecture notes for photograpy, Austin Community College
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 

I came across a collection of lecture notes from the
photography course at Austin Community college.

Some of the stuff may be of interest to the folks here.
Titles are:

Black & White Developers Processing and Technique
Quality Control of B/W Photography
The Characteristic Curve
Some Tech Talk Re: D76/IDE
View Camera Lenses Compiled
Lanthanum Glass
Evaluation of Ink Jet Materials
Density

http://www.austincc.edu/photo/research.htm

--
Nicholas O. Lindan,



From: [email protected] (Anne)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: The biggest Photo Tutorial on the internet
Date: 29 Dec 2003 

 
All photography tutorials from Aerial, winter, Underwater, Studio,
Portrait, Balck&White, Infrared right here

http://members.lycos.co.uk/ebooks4less/Pro Photography.htm

The biggest tutorial on the internet.	 


Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 
From: Gordon Moat [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Online Learning?

T C Bulmer wrote:

> I guess I should expand on my original question. I understand how the
> internet works, and Google is in fact my homepage. I was mostly interested
> in knowing if anyone had any experience with certain sites, what sites you
> all found helpful. If any were better than others. I have found hundreds of
> sites on my own, now it's like which one is the best? LOL. Thanks for the
> help though.
>
> --
> T C Bulmer

Actually, even though i have formal art training, and a degree in art to go
with it, I learned much more of the technical aspects, and perfected my
techniques, after graduation. There were a few good books that helped, such as
the Photography series by Barbara London, and some lighting books by Roger
Hicks. I much prefer the books to anything on the internet.

Every once in a great while I run across some useful articles in the internet.
There are a couple I thought you might find interesting:

http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/photo_world/cbp/index.htm This series of
articles guides you through some ideas on getting better photos, and makes a
nice read, even if you are not using Nikon cameras.

http://www.agfanet.com/en/cafe/photocourse/fsub.php3?cont=cont_index.php3 A
few choices here of short articles to help your photography, and great even if
you do not use AGFA film.

http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/articles.html Rochester Institute of Technology
articles. Most are quite technical, though some are easy enough to browse
through. This would be more of a technical interest, rather than more aesthetic
concepts.

I doubt if any of these would show up on Google, but then I think Google often
sucks at finding anything. I hope you find something useful in the links.

Ciao!

Gordon Moat
Alliance Graphique Studio
http://www.allgstudio.com


From: [email protected] (Dennis Lloyd)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc
Subject: Re: Online Learning?
Date: 23 Jan 2004 

...
There are several online tutorials at "Shortcoursed.com" at
http://www.shortcourses.com/

See also "Focus on Photography" at
http://www.azuswebworks.com/photography/index.html

For a great tool to help learn about exposure - f-stops and shutter speeds
- see the "Exposure - A Beginner's Guide to Photography" site.
You have to scroll quite a ways down the page to get to the "good stuff."
The "Crash Course" is VERY brief, and may or may not be useful. The
"Exposure" section is more comprehensive.
Be sure to scroll down to the "Sim-Cam" and try out the simulated camera -
you set the shutter speed and f-stop, and then see the results! A very
useful visual tool!
http://www.photonhead.com/exposure/

Dennis Lloyd.
Ottawa, Canada.



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