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Macrophotography Pages
The Bronica classic camera pages offer lots of
photos and sections related to doing medium format macrophotography with
the Bronica classic cameras, including the Bronica S, S2/A, EC and EC/TL.
Some Bronica classic camera models have features that make
macrophotography easier. For example, the EC/TL models offer through the
lens aperture priority automation, making some bellows exposure factor
calculations extraneous. Similarly, the older Bronica S models and later
Bronica EC and EC/TL offer mirror lockup, a useful feature in some
macrophotography efforts.
Here is a short summary of macrophotography options:
These lenses typically come in +1,
+2, +4
kits. Another option is a variable closeup lens that ranges from +1 to
+10 diopter, variable by a focusing ring on the mount. The weakest
magnification is from the +1 diopter lens, while +4 is much stronger. The
effects are readily seen through the SLR viewfinder.
This approach is very handy and relatively inexpensive, typically $20+ for a
used 67mm three-lens kit. The kit is lightweight, small, and easily carried.
Results are often quite good for the investment, especially with
multi-element lenses. The cheaper single element lenses may exhibit more
softness and other defects than other macro-methods.
Re: Close up filters rec.photo.equipment.35mm From: Ross Frid [email protected] Date: Thu Jan 22
I guess I disagree with the other posts (so far). If you
use the
2-element "filters" made by Canon or Nikon (called diopters), you should
see very good results. In fact I use them regularly in my stock photo
work, even tho I also own some very expensive micro lenses and gear.
They are really very high quality. You don't have to be a Nikon or Canon
user to use these, as they thread onto the front of your normal zoom or
prime lens. Nikon only makes 52mm and 62mm versions. Canon makes more
sizes but only in one magnification. The closeness depends on how close
your lens focuses now. Have fun!
-- |
Bellows provide a continuous range of magnifications (Chart).
You can use extension tubes to extend the bellows range. Lenses up to
200mm can be used, but the wide angle lenses give greater magnification
ratios up to 3 1/2 life size onto film.
Bronica offers a unique model 2 bellows with tilt and shift features.
These view camera style movements makes it possible to place the plane of
sharp focus where you want it on the object. Bronica's bellows is unique
in allowing you to use the regular lenses not only for macrophotography,
but also for infinity focusing. Many medium format lenses have minimum
focusing distances that are very long compared to similar 35mm lenses
with similar angles of coverage. Mounted on the bellows, the Bronica lenses
permit you to get a huge range from infinity to macrophotography from
your lenses. This singular advantage has convinced many pros to buy
Bronicas for this feature!
From: [email protected] (Neuman-Ruether)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Macro options
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998
>Of lens reversing, extension tubes, and the very high quality (two lens) >diopters, what are the advantages and disadvantages of each?
Oh, where to start....? ;-) (BTW, add teleconverters to the mix...).
What is preferable depends very much on the particulars.
Starting with wide-angles, there is little option but teleconverters,
which, when added to close-focusing wides, can give passable
low-magnification macro results. Reversing wides on SLR's gives
very high magnification, but the auto-diaphragm is lost. Quality
can be reasonably good. Fast (faster than about f1.7) normal lenses
don't generally work well for close-up use, but slower normals
can be excellent with tubes, achromats (2-element diopters...),
and telecoverters (or combinations) - or reversed. Short teles can
also work well with these (but not reversed), though asymmetrical
designs may not be very good on tubes. With longer tele lenses,
tubes become less effective and achromats and teleconverters
more effective and practical for increasing magnification.
With zooms, the best solution is generally an achromat (zooms
often become unsharp on tubes, are often impractical to reverse,
and aren't any too sharp on teleconverters...). With any of
these solutions (except reversal of wides, since you will hit
diffraction limits too soon...), sharpest results may occur
at f11-16 marked stop (the effective stop may be far smaller...).
Using a TTL flash (mounted with the head at the lens end and
aimed at the subject) can provide nice light and greatly simplify
macro shooting. BTW, you can find some high-magnification
"hand-held" macro work on my web page, under "photographs", "Bugs".
David Ruether
[email protected]
[email protected]
http://www.fcinet.com/ruether
rec.photo.technique.nature
From: [email protected] (Oleg "click!" Volk)
[1] Re: Macro lenses vs Extension Tubes
Date: Sun Nov 15 17:59:02 CST 1998
My preference for field use was to put a reversed 50mm in front of a 90mm
macro - get about 5cm focusing distance (acts as a high-quality +20
diopter) and can use the macro lens for fine-tuning focus.
Get very sharp results that way. See lizard photos on my site.
Added bonus: can use my EF lenses in front of Nikon lenses! Or my Nikon 50
in front of a 210mm view camera lens [get a postage stamp on a 4x5 sheet
film]
--
--
Oleg "will beg for links" Volk
http://dd-b.net/olegv
From: "Michael DeKelver" [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.nature
Subject: Re: Ext Tube & Teleconverter Combo
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999
I did tests with a Tamron 2x, Kenko AF tubes, and a micor Nikkor 105 AF-D
Microscopically, the teleconverter begins to show its limitations at this
magnification.
Hint: Mount the tubes on the camera first, then the teleconverter, then the
lens. This gives you more magnification from the teleconverter as it is
further from the film plane. Quality is the same as
lens/tube/converter/body. Expect zero DOF, I use at F64 with alot of flash.
Michael DeKelver
michaeldATnewforceDOTca
Ron Ginsberg wrote
>I have a Close-Up technique book and also a mag article about using a >teleconverter and extension tube in combo. One author states the >converter gets mounted on the camera body first and the other states the >tube goes on the body mount first.
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999
From: Todd Martin [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BRONICA] Any Macro Lens for the Bronica S2A
> Anyone had any luck with closeup lens? I can't use the Nikkons like the 6t > since both of these lens are 67mm and I think the 6T is 62mm....
Hi Don,
I've used my Nikon 6T on both the Zenzanon 100/2.8 and Zenzanon 200/3.5
with a stepping ring. When I used it last with the 100/2.8 it was for
quasi-product photo on a white background. I looked for and didn't see any
vignetting. I don't have the Nikkor 75/2.8 (yet) so I can't tell you if
vignetting is a problem.
I'm guessing I got near 1:1 with the 6T on the 200/3.5. I was shooting a
very small mountain orchid -- and pleasantly supprised at the flower's size
in the viewfinder. The working distance was great at about 18"-20" (if I
remember right).
I'm still on the steep part of the learning curve with macro work, but so
far I've enjoyed it. In fact, I've thought about adding the Nikon 5T to my
tool arsenal.
Nothing like a high-magnification macro shot with a shallow-ish depth of
field to show focusing errors. This is one of the reasons my EC-TL is in
the shop right now...
HTH,
~Todd
From Nikon Manual Focus Mailing List:
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999
From: "Andrea Denotti" [email protected]
Subject: Stacked lenses/magnification rates
Have any of you tried out the "stacked lenses" technique mentioned in John
Shaw's "close ups in nature" book? And if yes, with which lenses?
For those who don't know and for those who haven't read this fantastic book,
it's a photomicrography technique that allows strong magnification rates by
putting an inverted short focal length lens on the front of a longer focal
length lens: practically using a standard lens just in the same way you
would
use a close up diopter.
I've been using this technique since I started photographing, and I'm always
amazed at the fact that nobody ( at least over here) uses it, and very
few kno
about it at all. I achieved very good results by combining a Canon 100-300mm
f5.6 lens with a 50mm f1.8 some time ago.
When I tried out the technique with my 100-300 Nikkor + a 35mm f 2.8 I
had a lot of some problems with vignetting: even when using extra tubes
I still
couldn't stop down the lens further than f11 without darkening visibly the
corners. I thought that the main reason was the insufficient maximum
aperture,
so I went out to look for a cheap 1.8 or 1.4 lens. I found a third party
50mm
f1.8 and tried out the combi again: No vignetting at 300mm f32! But if I use
the zoom at less than 300mm I start getting vignetting problems again. By
adding 60mm of tubes I can zoom in and out from 100 to 300 with no
problems at
all.
It's really great to be able to zoom at these huge magnifications!
Now here comes the question: I know that a 50mm stacked on a 100mm gives
me 2X
magnification while stacked on 300 it gives me 6X ( "prime lens" focal length
devided stacked lens focal length ). But what happens when you add 68mm of
tubes? My vague impression is that the whole system magnifies much more,
something like from 3X to 12X, but how to calculate the exact magnification
rate in a stacked lens combination taking also into account the tubes?
Anyway, if you haven't tried this technique yet, and if you're interested in
photomicrography, I strongly suggest you do!
Cheers
Andrea
From Nikon MF Digest:
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999
From: "Andrea Denotti" [email protected]
Subject: Re: Stacked lenses/magnification rates
Gary,
In order to mount the two lenses "face to face" you need a coupling ring.
This is similar to a filter adapter or step-up ring, just that instead of
having a male thread on one side and a female thread on the other, it has a
male thread on both sides so that you can screw it into the filter thread of
both the lenses. These things are difficult to find, so there are some DIY
alternatives. The easiest solution I've found is to glue two cokin (P)
filter adaptors (the ones that screw onto the lens) to eachother with a
STRONG glue for metal.I find this to be enough but if you're afraid this is
insufficient you can also add a few small bolts.There are also other ways of
acheiving the same result, as long as you end up with with two male threads
on either side of your contraption.Of course the thread sizes must match the
size of the lenses filter threads, so in my case I bought a 52mm and a 56mm
filter adapter.
Hope this is clear enough otherwise let me know.
Andrea
>How do you connect the short lens to the long lens? > >Gary
From Nikon MF Digest:
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999
From: Mark Peterson [email protected]
Subject: Re: Stacked lenses/magnification rates
...
Mike Kirk makes such rings in a variety of sizes. I have his 52mm-52mm
ring, which was reasonably priced, IMO, at $13.00 -- probably less than one
would pay to piece together a DIY rig. His rings are available in a
variety of different sizes to match various lens' filter ring sizes.
You'll find them available on the Kirk website at
http://www.kirkphoto.com/polarizers.html
BTW, I'm not affiliated with Kirk Photo; just a happy customer.
Mark
From Nikon MF Digest:
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999
From: Mark Walberg [email protected]
Subject: Re: Stacked lenses/macro coupling rings
B&H sells these, too. They call them macro coupling rings. They've got
lots of sizes, costing between 7.95 and 9.95. I've got some and they work
fine.
See http://www.bhphotovideo.com/photo/acc/stepping/macrocoupling.html
Mark Walberg
From Nikon MF Mailing List:
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999
From: "Andrea Denotti" [email protected]
Subject: Re: Stacked lenses/magnification rates
[email protected] wrote:
>Thanks Andrea. > >Does it make much difference how much space is taken up by the adapter? > >Gary
Yes it does. The further away the front element of the inverted lens is
respect to the front element of the lens mounted on the camera, the more
pronounced vignetting may occur. But this is a concern only in certain
cases. With some lens combinations such as when using a zoom or when the
inverted lens has a small maximum aperture, heavy vignetting may occur. In
other cases there's no problem at all.If you do have a problem with
vignetting then you must add tubes, and as I said, the further away the two
front elements of the lenses are from eachother, the more tubes will have to
be added in order to get rid of the darkened corners in the picture.
So, can't anyone help me out with the calculation of the magnification rates
in "stacked lenses" combinations?
Andrea
I have used the Zeiss 100/2.8 macro extensively and was recently using
a Canon 100/2.8 macro expecting to be able to do the same sorts of
things, but found to my surprise that I had to get so close to the
critters I was photographing that they would run away. The lesson of
the day was that just because it says it is "100mm" does not mean that
that focal length is maintained at short focus, and the differences
are significant (12-17" for 100mm macro lenses). It turns out that
the Pentax, Zeiss, and Minolta lenses are "truer" to their stated
focal length throughout the focus range than the Nikon or Canon
lenses. For example, a Pentax 100/3.5 Macro gives you nearly the same
lens to subject distance as a Canon 180 macro. I have compiled a list
of working distances below. What's really annoying about the Canon
and Nikon systems is that to get a decent working distance (>12") you
have to spend big bucks for a slow lens: (Canon 180/3.5 is $1300 and
Nikon 200/4 is $1100).
Lens Lens to Subject Distance at 1:1 ------------------- ------------------------------- Zeiss 60/2.8 Macro 10" Tamron 90/2.8 Macro 11.4" Canon 100/2.8 Macro 12" Nikon 105/2.8 Macro 12" Pentax 100/2.8 Macro 12" Sigma 105/2.8 Macro 12.3" Minolta 100/2.8 Macro 14.4" Zeiss 100/2.8 Macro 16" Pentax 100/3.5 Macro 16.9" Canon 180/3.5 Macro 18.8" Nikon 200/4 Macro 19.4"
From: Anders Svensson [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: 55mm MACRO LENSES ARE IMPRACTICAL, OVERPRICED AND USUALLY
UNNECESSARY
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999
Artur Swietanowski skrev:
> SpooRL wrote: > > > > From: edromney> > > > > Method 1-- Simply buy a good enlarging lens of 80 to 135mm such as > > >Componon, Comparon or Omegaron at low cost in a trade fair. They are > > >quite equal to macro lenses and the simple diaphragm is much more > > >accurate at the small apertures used in this work. Mount your enlarging > > >lens on a body cap > > > > I'm interested in trying this, > > Actually, there's a company that makes exactly this kind of thing > (and then a few more interesting items) using a enlarger lenses. > I have a feeling it may not exactly be cheap, though... > > See > http://www.zoerk.com/ > and esp. > http://www.zoerk.com/pages/p_mima.htm > > > but how to cut the cap and mount the > > lens so that everything is flush and square? > > it seems that even a minor aberration > > would be "magnified" in actual use... > > Actually, the Zoerk company makes use of this by making tilt & shift > adapters as well. As long as the lens is one unit, it'll produce > perfect pictures, but the inaccurate mounting in a self-made macro > may cause a (constant) tilt & shift. In either case, it would be > unnoticable, as long as the imperfect fitting is not plain 5 mm and > 15 deg off. > > Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with Zoerk. But if they wanted > (by any chance) to send me the T&S, Micro and pinhole adapters for > my Canon EOS, I'd be delighted. > > Regards, > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Artur Swietanowski http://www.bigfoot.com/~swietanowski >....
As for adapting strange optics to cameras, there are several possibilities
that might work:
One is to use a (plastic) body cap, Romney style.
Then, it might be possible to find a M42 adapter that fits the body in
question. Many enlarger lenses are M39, like old Leica lenses, and I believe
that there are adaptors available between M42 and M39.
A reversing ring, the cheap third party variety can also be used as a
mounting adapter.
A cheap extension ring can be used by cutting it off and glueing/soldering
a suitable plate on it. I used a Nikkor extension ring to make a Nikon
adapter for a Minolta bellows - works pretty well.
Really, the problem is all about centering any hole and right angle cutting.
--
Anders Svensson
[email protected]
From: edromney [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: 55mm MACRO LENSES ARE IMPRACTICAL, OVERPRICED AND USUALLY
UNNECESSARY
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999
> Boon-Li, why not tell us about your idea about not not actually needing a > ring light ? I am interested.
Yes that is quite possible..simply put the shutter on time , darken the
room, stop way down and take a 60w bulb in a car trouble light and move it
in a circle around the lens. I also edge- lit many of my leaf shutter
mechanisms in the repair text with only one strobe , a $6 used pocket one,
which I snapped 4 or 5 times in a circle around the subject while the lens
was open. . These pix look OK--- even if printed on a Multilith 1250
offset or a laser printer. An upcoming article in Camera Shopper will also
have pix made this way. Photography is 2/3 technique, 1/3 equipment. And if
it will do the job of a new camera who cares how your camera is!
Ed Romney http://www.edromney.com
From Bronica Mailing List:
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000
from: [email protected]
Subject: Old Bronicas in the New Millenium
..
Looking through my old stuff I found an old Bronica bellows, which I will
start to use for adapting barrel tele lenses.
This is a rather unknown one - made by Novoflex (the same basic bellows as
was made for Primarflex ,
1954 Exakta 66 and perhaps other medium format cameras).
On the front is a standard Bronica focal plane camera lens mount for normal
75MM lens etc. and internally threaded for 57MM. The back or camera mount is
the early type for Bronica Deluxe or "S" - so I would date this as pre-1965.
I can adapt it with the Bronica Bellows adapter which converts the old
camera mount to S2-A type mount.
It has no rises or falls or turns like the Bronica bellows - but is a simple
straightforward unit.
Just thought I would tell the Bronica users of Deluxe through ECTL2 that
this exists - as you may find one inexpensively.
Best of everything in 2000!
- Sam Sherman
From Hasselblad mailing list:
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000
From: Jim Stewart [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Macro photography and DOF
olenberger wrote:
> I have a Leica M4 with a Visoflex and bellows, and I use a 90mm Elmar > lens head with the bellows for macro photography. I also have a Hasselblad > 500CM with an 80mm CFT*. I am considering renting a bellows for the Blad, > and either renting a 135mm Makro Planar or using my own 80mm with the > bellows. (In addition to being optomized for macro work, the Makro Planar > has the advantage over the 80mm Planar of going to smaller f-stops for more > depth of field.) > For non-macro work, I believe that using a "normal" 50mm lens with the > 35mm Leica, I get more DOF than using the "normal" 80mm lens with the MF > 'Blad (assumming the same subject distance and f-stop). To get equivalent > DOF in medium format, I would have to stop down the lens about a stop and a > half. (Does someone know the exact value?) > Now my question, which pertains to macro work: If I shoot 1:1 in 35mm > format at, say, f22, will I get greater DOF than shooting 1:1 in medium > format using the same f-stop? Or would it be the same? Would this depend > on the focal length (i.e., 80mm vs. 135mm)? My theory is that in the medium > format case, the subject distance would be greater for 1:1 magnification, > and this would provide more DOF -- maybe compensating (exactly?) for the > loss of DOF inherent in normal MF photography. If the DOF is the same for > both formats, I might rent the bellows; if it is less for MF, I will stick > to my old Leica. > -Fritz Olenberger
First of all, nothing starts a flame war faster in a photo group than a
discussion of depth of field, particularly a discussion comparing 35mm
and MF. That said, I'll give my opinion and it's just that.
Only 2 things determine depth of field, aperture and image
magnification. For example, if your subject is producing a 1/2" high
image on your film and your aperature is the same, your depth of field
will be the same whether you are shooting 35mm or 8x10. The reason that
MF is said to have less depth of field is that you would normally fill
the frame with the image resulting in greater magnification and less
depth of field. Now there are arguments that with smaller format, the
film resolution limits the overall resolution before depth of field
does, hence larger format is better, etc, etc.
As for how to do macro work with a Hasselblad, I've tried the 80 with
proxars, a 135 with bellows,a 120 with bellows and extension tubes.
I've settled on using the 120 and tubes. The 80 with proxars works
surprisingly well. It's a cheap (by Hasselblad standards) approach and
if I'm traveling with one lens, I'll take a couple along with me. The
135 with bellow is legended to be technically the best approach. I've
rented the 135 and used it with manual bellows and I really can't see
the difference between it and the 120. I can't afford the auto bellows
and I've found the manual bellows to be a total pain in the butt to use.
Besides, even if you go with the auto bellows and the 120, you'll still
probably need at least one short tube because the minimum length of the
bellows isn't always short enough. So I've ended up with a 120 and a
set of 3 tubes. I get the auto operation with the tubes and a nice
medium-short tele for general work. Used tubes come up on ebay all the
time and there is generally little that can go wrong with them.
There are two main problems with using the 80 for macro work. The first
is the f22 limit on stopping down. I routinely use f32 with small
product shots and am very pleased with the results. The second problem
is that the short working distance between the subject and the object
can make lighting and composition difficult and also causes a keystone
effect if the object has significant depth.
Finally, Wildi's book has an excellent chapter on closeup photography
with many helpful charts on depth of field.
From Hasselblad Mailing List:
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000
From: ULF SJOGREN [email protected]
Subject: SV: Close up with little money
Here is a little advice that will give you approx 1,8 :1 magnifaction with
the equipment you have, but you have to invest $2 or so in a roll of tape.
This is NO joke. Attach the 150 mm lens to the camera. Turn the 80 mm lens
front to front with the Sonnar and tape them together that way. Two turns
of nontransparent tape is enough. Now you have a very good macro lens,
constructed as those lenses generally are. The Planar shutter/diafragm
shall not be touched, that is leave the f at 2.8, all exposure corrections
are made on the Sonnar lens. The planar "steals" approx. 2 steps but so
does the ext. tube.....
Use this 2 step reduction as a "rule of thumb. If you have a finder with
built-in metering it is of course no problems.
Of course this can be made with all kind of combination but older Distagon
lenses must be avoided as the front lens can get scratched.
Good luck
Ulf Sj�gren
Sweden
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 From: "H. Scott McCann" [email protected]> Subject: 35mm Nikon lens on Bronica To: "[email protected]" [email protected]> Dear Colleagues: I took a short Bronica S2a Extension tube and mounted a Nikon 35mm lens mount from an old junker 35mm body on it. (Takes a little metal smithing but nothing too difficult). Now attach a "trash" 35mm lens like an old 135mm and you will have a first rate macro setup. Show the results to your "Hasselbad" friends (aren't they fun to annoy?) and ask them to duplicate for under $100. Lenses under 100mm make you work too close to the camera. Lenses like the 135mm are very cheap and work just fine, longer ones for shooting Cobras and thing like that. This trick works with 4X5 cameras also. Don't forget to allow for the extension tubes when calculating the exposure. Scott McCann [email protected]
From bronica mailing list: Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 From: "dgoldfar" [email protected] Subject: Re: Closing aperture whild reversing lens You could tape or otherwise fix the lever, or if you have a Bronica extension tube C-A, you could use that on the mount end of the lens (so it's camera-helical-reversing ring-lens-extension tube), since it stops down the lens by default and has a lever to open the aperture for focusing. David G. --- In [email protected], "qkarndt" qkarndt@y... wrote: > When I use a reversing ring to reverse my 75 mm lens on my Bronica S > for some closeup and macro work, how does one close the aperture down? > I do not want to have to hold the little lever to close the lens to > the selected aperture. Wedging a matchstick in the slot to hold it > closed doesn't seem right either. Thanks, Quinten
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