Related Links:
Statistics of the Photo Industry
Economics of Third Party Lens
Introductions (max in late 70s)
Turning Semipro (low pro photographer wage
statistics)
was at http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/portfolio/ir/2000/00fb_e04.pdf
Nikon and worldwide SLR sales data (see note) [11/2000]
[Ed. note: link reports not found (error 404) as of 2/2003 link checks]
To understand the future of serious photography, consider these figures:
Number of serious amateur and professional photographers:
1981 1/2 million
1993 1/2 million
rate of growth = zero
Number of cameras sold in U.S.:
SLR cameras:
1981 2.6 million
1993 725k*
rate of decline = 146k less per year ==> Is 1998 the year of the last SLR?
Point and Shoot (camera + fixed lens)
1981 800k
1993 13 million
Disposable cameras:
1981 -
1993 22 million USA
1993 62 million Japan
35mm film market - color print film = 96% slides, B&W, etc. = 4%
Source: Popular Photography, Sept. 1993 p. 14, Keppler's SLR column
*Popular Photography, Jan. 1995 p. 18, Keppler's SLR column
(originally projected 850k in Sept. 1993, sold only 725k SLRs)
Updated Sales Figures for Japan - 1999 |
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33.9 million 35mm cameras (-6%) [includes single use, compact 35mm..] 1.5 million APS cameras (-2%) 766 thousand 35mm SLRs (+3.6%) 25 thousand medium format cameras (-9%)
Digital: |
Source: Leica Mailing List Posting by Erwin Puts |
These figures don't bode well for the future of serious photography in
the U.S. Here are some observations based on the above figures.
There has been no growth in the number of serious amateur and
professional photographer numbers between 1981 and 1993. At best, we are
barely replacing those folks who drop out or die off. Otherwise, we would
have real growth. Actually, since the population is growing through legal
and illegal immigration, our lack of growth suggests we are really
declining and not reaching these pools of new immigrant groups too.
If you project the 146k per year decline in SLR sales observed from 1981
through 1993 to 1998, you would conclude that SLR sales should drop to
zero by year's end (i.e., 725k - (5*146k) => 0). Obviously, I don't think
that is true. But the current 75% or so decline in sales has negative
consequences for serious photographers in the U.S. and elsewhere.
Despite a 1,625% increase in the number of point and shoot (camera,
shutter, fixed lens cameras), we have had no growth in serious
photographer numbers during this thirteen year period. To me, this means
that point and shoot photographers don't go on to become serious
photographers in any noticeable number. That means 99% of the reusable
camera buyers are not likely to become serious photographers after their
point and shoot experiences.
The 22 million disposable camera sales didn't help to boost serious
photographer numbers either. The Pop.Photo. articles suggested to me that
the reverse is true, with the 62 million disposables sold in Japan (half
the U.S. population size) cannabalizing not only SLR sales but even P&S
sales! If so, then Japan's experience reflects photography's future in
the U.S. towards a disposable camera majority.
I suggest that some of the nearly 2 million annual lost SLR sales can be
attributed to the loss of camera store outlets to drugstore and film
processing labs. These outlets don't have the trained sales staff or space
to properly promote and sell serious photography equipment. Others may
also blame mail order sales, discounting, or the switch to camcorders.
Without a flux of SLR and serious photography buyers each year, camera
stores and related commercial resources must decline precipitiously (and
have!).
The good news from those 13 million P&S sales is that you can get film
developed anywhere, albeit often badly and only as long as it is color
print film (96% of the market per PopPhoto). Don't expect professional
development, or even quality enlargements. Forget about black and white
processing and color slides, which are now only 4% of the market. Since
slides are usually associated with professional and serious amateur
photography, this decline shouldn't be surprising in light of the above
factoids. If you shoot black and white, you are in the 1% minority.
How often does the serious amateur photographer buy a new SLR camera on
the average? If you say every five years, then one-fifth of the half
million serious amateurs equates to 100,000 SLR camera sales per year.
The rest must be coming from newbies. For 1993, we had 725k SLR sales,
with perhaps 100k sold to the existing pool of experienced photographers.
This suggests that in 1993, we had perhaps 625k new buyers of SLRs.
However you look at it, most of the SLR buyers must be first timers.
But the number of serious amateurs didn't grow during the 1981 through
1993 period, right? So virtually all of these newbies who bought SLRs
must have dropped out of photography. Those few who stayed in and became
serious amateur and semi-professional photographers were nearly exactly
balanced by those serious photographers who dropped out or died off. It
can't be otherwise, given that the numbers of serious photographers has
been constant over the observed 13 year period.
Any way I look at it, I am forced to conclude that at least 95% of the new
SLR buyers are not going on to become serious amateurs. What's wrong with
photography that this is so, and why aren't the manufacturers, clubs,
magazines, and the rest of the industry working on doing something to keep
these folks active in photography?
Let us look at some of the negative consequences of these trends. First,
there are fewer SLR sales and fewer camera stores, and by extension, fewer
local camera repair sites too. Getting color slides developed is a much
slower process, while black and white processing is either unavailable or
only from professional labs. Even quality print processing requires either
mailout or longer trips to a professional processor. If you can't get
high quality enlargements or color slides, how can you be a serious
amateur with muddy processing of 4x5 color prints from your SLR camera?
Maybe you have noticed that SLR costs are rising a lot faster than
inflation? In the past, those millions of SLR buyers made it easier for
the mfgers to absorb the cost of developing professional cameras and the
odd or fast lens versions favored and needed by professionals. I suggest
that the manufacturers can no longer do so in today's smaller marketplace,
so these costs come more directly out of the high end buyer's pockets. The
cost of developing the constantly changing features and lens mounts has to
be recovered from fewer buyers, and over less time now too. This
observation suggests why prices have spiraled upward and why they will
continue to do so as costs increase and sales decline.
Actually, I think it is worse than that, with new features of modest or
questionable utility being developed in order to rapidly obsolete high
end cameras and lenses. This forces some buyers to purchase the latest
versions, generating more sales and profits for their manufacturers. But
is the high end professional camera really worth seven times the price of
the entry level SLR with similar features and using the same lenses? Do
you really understand, let alone know how to intelligently use, all those
new features?
Paradoxically, you also have more choices because electronics has made it
possible to differentiate cameras by features while using similar bodies
and production facilities to make the various versions. In the past, you
bought a nikkormat, or you bought a nikon F2. Today, you have a lot of
choices, but that means the serious amateurs don't have to pay for the top
of the line model. Only those with the monies or those much fewer
professionals can justify today's top of the line camera costs, especially
with the rapid obsolescence of bodies and lens mounts.
While this is good news for some buyers, it means a much more complex
marketplace of SLR cameras and features. That means it is harder to sell
and to buy the right camera today, especially given the decline in camera
stores and trained sales people. Am I the only one who is confused by all
the current models of cameras? You would think SLR sales had increased
400%, instead of declining 75%. How many of those top-of-the-line features
do you really think you would use, and how often would they make a
difference in your pictures? Again, is it worth seven times as much to you
to have those features and a bit more rugged camera over the entry level
SLRs? Are all those features so confusing to use that you are better off
with a simpler camera, or even an all-mechanical one?
Years ago, I think you also got better quality and performance from prime
mfgers lenses than the much less expensive third party lenses. Today, that
seems less and less true. For one thing, the same folks may be making both
lenses now, and the same lens is sold under a dozen labels. Even if you
think the slightly better optical performance is worth multiples of the
third party lens prices, can you get that performance onto your prints or
slides from your developer? As for the sharpness mania, do you realize
that most autofocus lenses deliver far less critical sharpness in
practice than a carefully focused manual lens (again, per PopPhoto and
other tests)? If you are a serious amateur photographer, why are you
paying three to ten times more for autofocus lenses that are far worse in
practice than your older manual focus lenses? Duh?
Even the OEM camera bodies are being made in countries not know for their
quality movements, in an effort to reduce labor costs and raise profits.
But if the same camera made by the same folks is available for even less
under a no-name label, what does that do to the value of the OEM's stamp
of approval on their imported third world cameras? Does putting the big
name on the third world imported camera make it just as good as their own
cameras? Who are they fooling, if it isn't you and me?
Many buyers are using these third party lenses in order to save major
dollars over the much higher priced similar OEM lenses. But lenses and
add-ons constitute a major profit center for the manufacturers, and the
loss of these sales further hurts the manufacturers. I call this process
the death spiral, as their prices spiral upwards, causing sales to
decline, which causes prices to go up more to recover fixed R&D and other
costs, so sales go down, and so on.
Another factor is at work that also slows high end sales besides the
higher price. Today's much more costly cameras are also higher quality.
By analogy to cars, PepBoys annual report noted that increased car quality
had reduced demand for parts by 5% a year, so rather than permitting them
to grow they were facing declines. I suggest that the same is happening in
the camera industry. Better quality cameras means longer times before
purchasing a second SLR at an even higher price.
Repair sites have fewer high end cameras to work on, explaining in part
why CLA of even simple professional SLR cameras has exploded upwards in
price. Adding expensive custom electronics test equipment and computer
skills to mechanical and optical skills means fewer more highly paid
camera repair folks to me. Maintaining parts for all these models is
surely a costly nightmare too. But OEM camera repairs in or out of
warranty are a cost center, not a profit center, for most manufacturers.
At the low end, it is often cheaper to buy a new body in warranty than to
get an old one fixed. The diffusion of quality is found in all the SLR
cameras, not just the high end ones. That suggests that the cameras will
last at least as long as the average owner's interest in photography. Why
pay seven times as much for a hyper quality camera that will be obsolete
in three years? And if there are fewer breakdowns, won't there be fewer
people buying new SLRs?
Remember those 2.6 million SLR sales from 1981? Those cameras are mostly
either gone or gathering dust in millions of closets. But a fair number
must have ended up on the used market, powering the budget minded entry
into SLR photography for many people in the 1980s, myself included. But
fast-forward to 1993. Now we only sold 725K SLR cameras. Future used
equipment buyers will have far fewer cameras to buy, and in many more
shorter lived models, with fewer lenses, at much higher prices. Not a
very good climate to get students or others on limited budgets into
photography, is it?
Changes in lens mount with automation changes means far fewer lenses will
be available for use on any given body. After the FTC mandated 7 year
period, many parts will no longer be available too. So cameras will become
unrepairable with those fancy electronic circuits now turning into the
camera's Achille's heel. And you have probably noticed that the
electronics seems to be the weakest link on many of today's models, right?
Now combine the higher purchase costs with the more frequent model and
lens mount changes, difficulty in repairs, and presumed scarcity of lens
and add-ons due to lower sales and faster model changes. Don't expect high
end used camera prices to remain low as current model prices climb into
the stratosphere either. I infer that the used camera market will become
much less of a bargain resource, especially as today's advanced features
migrate downward onto lower end and cheaper cameras over time. Today's
fancy auto-lenses will become tomorrow's surplus, only useful on a
relative handful of obsolete camera bodies for sale at higher prices.
What about non-U.S. market cameras? Won't these third world markets
support overall camera sales, thereby providing the funds for maintaining
high end cameras and features for the U.S. market without our having to
pay for them? Sorry, but the third world doesn't buy a lot of Nikon F5s.
They may get a chance to buy some low end models with stripped features
that manufacturers are loathe to import into the U.S. due to the low
profit. Look at it from their viewpoint. Wouldn't you rather sell a $750
camera than a $250 camera body, given you are only going to make one sale?
On the other hand, expect to see more lower cost lenses from the major
manufacturers to try and compete with lower cost third party lenses
(e.g., the nikon E series). The big sacrifice here is in ruggedness and
quality, trading longevity for lower initial cost. But how else can the
mfgers compete with the third party lens makers who have far less diverse
manufacturing setups and lower overheads?
My guess is that the trend towards zoom lenses is going to kill off the
sales of prime lenses, aided by the low quality of most developing labs.
Many cameras now come with zoom lenses as a replacement for prime normal
lens. But I suggest this trend means further profit losses for the
manufacturers, plus greater competition from third party sellers.
If the big name manufacturers don't make as much money off the lenses, or
from the bodies, where will they make their money? Don't forget that they
can go out of business, with Pentacon being a recent example. At the end,
the Prakticas that cost $165 were costing over $650 to make, and it was
cheaper for the German government to pay the workers to stay home than to
make cameras! Are Japan's manufacturers too far down the sunset industry
path to recover? Will the current 1997 year-end financial crises in Asia
make your camera an orphan too?
Based on the figures at the start of this article, I suggest that serious
photography is in trouble as we head into 1998. The numbers of serious
photographers hasn't increased significantly. Far fewer SLRs are being
sold. More people may be taking photographs, but they are using
disposable and point and shoot cameras rather than SLRs. Very few of them
are becoming serious amateur or professional photographers. That means
that the costs for the rest of us have to go up to make up for those lost
sales and profits. With fewer new cameras, at higher prices, and with more
models, there will be fewer used cameras and they will cost more too.
The great decline in SLR sales from 2.6 million to 725k documented above
suggests that we are already well down on the death spiral path of
declining sales and rising costs. The solution lies in finding out why 95%
of all new SLR buyers are not going on to become serious amateur
photographers but are dropping out instead. Unless the SLR photography
industry can identify and retain some of these people, I believe that
serious photography will quickly become a much more difficulty and
expensive hobby and profession to pursue.
See also Economics of camera production
and camera reliability surprises
--Source:
From [email protected] Wed Dec 31 21:03:59 CST 1997
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc,rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Death Spiral of Serious Amateur Photography - Facts &
Observations]
Third Party New Lens
Introduction - Highlighting Oil Shocks, Recessions, and SLR
Photography's Peak Year (1977) using dates of introducing 1600+ new
lenses...
Thanks to one and all, and especially a number of direct emailers with
most useful and interesting commentary on my initial posting. I hope to
collect some of these comments and create a home page for this thread so
as to preserve some of the better ideas and criticisms of my original
posting
I want to point out that the term ''serious amateur photographer'' is not
limited to 35mm SLR owners, despite my posting this in rec.photo..35mm ;-)
I wouldn't want to leave out those with $2,000+ point and shoot titanium
ultra-cameras nor those who also use medium format or 4x5 and larger (as
I do too ;-) from the ranks of serious amateur photographers. But however
measured, the ranks of serious photographers doesn't seem to be growing...
One reply noted that the numbers of new medium format and especially
large format buyers had declined so steeply that these were endangered
species, with some brands (horseman etc.) being hardly able to advertise
while others (hassy..) having to recover these costs by higher and higher
prices. As I suggested in my original postings, this is my "death spiral"
view of photography's future, unless we all do something to reverse it...
I think the Internet does offer some great positive opportunities to
promote serious photography. For one thing, lots of us are isolated in
our hobbies, having no local friends who are either interested or able to
discuss this hobby either intelligently or passionately. The Internet
offers us that opportunity, but we need to work harder on making it an
inclusionary experience and a positive one.
Several posters noted that photography is numerically an older (over 55
per one poster) centered hobby - which suggests we need to do a lot more
to involve and recruit younger recruits. One simple example might be a
program to solicit tax deductible camera donations from no longer
interested photo dropouts, and recycle them to younger users. Is there
any 501(C3) or similar charity which is doing this, and if not, can't we
create one? Maybe the donated collectible cameras could be sold (reducing
high prices of today's market?) and turned into needed accessories and
film and processing for these new student recruits? Others might be able
to donate some time teaching a few how-to-do-it sessions etc? A high
school oriented program might be just the thing to get us growing again?
I think the computer offers an extension and new capability to serious
amateur photography, specifically in manipulating images, but that the
image has to come first. A great deal of the original quality and info is
lost today in compromises to make reasonable download times possible.
On the other hand, there is sooo much great photography already being
shared by individuals on the internet, with two more listings offered for
freebies by individuals just today on this rec.photo forum, that we have
a really great opportunity here if we will take or make it. We really
need a way to locate these quality images, categorize them, an image
based search engine, by category (nature photo etc.). Any suggestions?
Great idea to check and identify the best local processing places (ask
your local newspaper in modest sized towns, local prof. photogr. in cities)
Most one hour labs are bad, but we can demand better and patronize those
who are offering the best quality and service in our local areas. We can
also share positive experiences with labs that do mail order business too.
I think we are already revising business operations at many savvy camera
stores, who are beginning to learn the power of the Internet to share
info on negative and positive experiences with them - right? ;-)
A minor innovation of my own to this end is online at my bronica used and
for sale wanted to buy site at http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/bronused.html
This site gathers dozens of dealer listings from multiple sources for 6x6
bronica related cameras, lenses, and accessories and manuals into one site.
One stop shopping for those looking for this particular camera or accessories
I also have four entire camera manuals online plus lots of articles etc.
Now others have done similar sites for a given brand too, but imagine
what we could do if we could coordinate more such sites and info for us all..
Since the projections are that we will soon jump from ten to thirty to
more than one hundred million folks on line, we can expect to have a huge
number of both newbies and more experienced folks joining us. Whether
they elect to stay active will depend a lot on how we receive them in
rec.photo and what benefits they bring and get out of the WWW online
photography experience.
We also need to do a lot more to welcome foreign and non-English language
folks into these goings on, but I don't know how, and I am open to any
suggestions on what we can do to welcome them and include them in. Some of
the most interesting photo sites I have seen last year were online from
Singapore and other foreign sites. I also think the possibility to locate
rare items, hard to find film sources (e.g., 127 film for me ;-), and
even buy used photo items at bargain prices worldwide will be *really*
interesting for many of us online ;-)
So I just wanted to pass on some of these hopeful notes, and suggest that
we need to continue to expand our sharing of photo ideas and experiences
online, as these may help fill a void that increasing our numbers alone
won't fill...
again, happy 1998 to all - regards - bob monaghan
--
An Update:
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999
To: [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Followup-To: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Death Spiral Update (long diatribe ;-)
re: http://www.smu.edu/~rmonagha/brondeath.html Death Spiral of Amat.
Photogr.
Sadly, I find that the death spiral seems to be accelerating, viz.:
Serious amateur photography doesn't exist in isolation. You have to have
various photographic resources to do photography. People have to come
into the hobby to replace those who leave and die off, if there is to be
a viable photoindustry over the long-term. The two are symbiotic - you
can't do photography without film and paper and photogear, and you can't
sell much photogear to people who aren't seriously interested in photography.
Last month, we lost a long-time supplier of film and papers in Europe
(Fotochemika/Adox..). This month, Agfa film products got spun out on its
own largely because it was a money losing business. Neither is a good sign.
Consumers in the USA buy 96% color print film, splitting the remaining 4%
between color slides, black and white, and all specialty films (Polaroid,
IR..). Now you understand why there are still no slide films for APS
users! We continue to lose much-loved classic films such as Ektar 25 and
VPS this last quarter alone. I could also talk about the on-going losses of
rich high silver content darkroom papers too.
If you use a 620 or 127 format camera, you have lost most film emulsions
and sources in the last year or so too. Ditto 126 cartridge, disc
cameras, and all but a few 110 camera films, also all in the last year or
so. Is APS next?
A Shutterbug review of the recent major European photoindustry show
concluded that there were few new camera introductions, and most of these
were niche cameras (panoramics..). I suggest that the manufacturers are
avoiding investing in new current technology cameras until they see how
the digital revolution is going to impact them.
Most current 35mm SLR and MF/LF cameras are "mature technology", from
which you take profits as you wear out the tooling. R&D investments are
obviously going more towards a digital future. Everybody is waiting for
the next generation of imaging chips to get the density up and the costs
down to where photo-quality images are available in a consumer price
range.
Should we be worried about the consumer masses going digital?
Optimists will predict the explosion of computerized digital cameras and
online image creation will leave many digital photo users wanting more
quality, and upgrading to real film and SLR cameras. Surely some users
will make this transition, but will it be enough to sustain the
photoindustry and our hobby?
As I noted in my "Death Spiral" article, 13 million point and shoot
camera sales didn't seem to increase the numbers of serious amateur
photographers. Why would non-film based digital technology do so when it
didn't happen with film based P+S users?
Pessimists will argue that most users will be happy with the quality of a
megapixel image from their $149 digital camera that can be posted
directly on the WWW. Those who want a print will simply have their $300+
Epson photo-quality color computer printers print one out. Thanks to simple
software, they can crop and color correct, even sharpen the photo on
their home computer before printing it out. Instead of mailing out
prints, they simply send the photo as an email attachment to their
relatives. For those without a computer, they can simply dump the digital
photos at their local minilab and select which ones they want to print on
the store's Epson color printer or store images on disk or the WWW.
Based on what I have seen this last year, I am firmly in the pessimists
camp. The cheapy mini-lab prints have accustomed folks to accepting a low
quality print, often soft-focused to hide scratches that the lab's poor
processing has put on the negatives. A nice 300 dpi or better 24 bit
color print is quite acceptable, maybe even a step up for most consumers.
Given the huge cost savings of no film and no processing costs, plus no
delays and instant gratification, who can doubt that digital is the wave
of the future for many consumers?
If you are in the photo-industry, this is a disconcerting view. Intel
makes the chips. The lenses are tiny, fixed, low cost optics. Zeiss
quality isn't needed. The printers and computers are unrelated to our
photo-technology, as is the software used. What strengths can the current
photo-industry players sell us in a future digital photography world? Not
film or paper or processing. Not lenses. Surely not software or chips,
right? Are they dinosaurs? Hmmm?
This thread started out asking whether Rollei or Hasselblad will be with
us in 5-7 years? My argument is that they are already gone, as I think of
them.
Rollei has gone through a number of virtual bankruptcies, most recently
being bought out by a Korean company whose bean-counters are less
impressed by past Germanic glories than by present profit performance,
understandable given their moribund economy. The Hasselblad family also
read the tea-leaves, and reportedly have sold out control of Hasselblad
to a number of private investors (Swiss..).
In my opinion, both of these companies have already lost touch with their
historical roots through these trans-national sales. Consider the use of
Rollei's prestigious names on Korean made consumer cameras and lenses, or
the Hasselblad Xpan which looks a whole lot like a certain Fuji camera
under a Hasselblad logo. The old Rollei and Hasselblad companies would
never have done that, don't you agree?
The older cameras will be produced so long as the tooling holds out,
possibly with minimal improvements, if only to maximize the value and
profits from these resources. The names and trademarks will be exploited
until they no longer mean what they once did, meaning the names live on
long after the cameras that gave them prestige have been dropped. So to
me, Hasselblad and Rollei are already gone in spirit, if not in steel and
plastic and marketing ads.
Japan has marked their photography industry as a "sunset" industry, which
was hollowed out (moved offshore) and starved for investment and talented
staff. Big names in cameras (Canon, Ricoh..) now mostly make office
photocopier machines etc. rather than get their profits from camera
divisions. Third party lenses by Tamron, Tokina, and Sigma are now often
better than the OEM lenses they compete against, a far cry from the past!
In Germany, the last Pentacon plant was shut down in former East Germany
when the Prakticas that sold for $165 new were found to cost $650 to
produce. As noted above, Rollei was sold out too. Who's left making
cameras in Germany? Who's the next industry domino to fall?
Who is to blame for the current state of photography - the photoindustry
or the serious amateur photographers?
My personal view is that the photoindustry is mainly to blame for the
present precarious state of the hobby. For years, the photo-industry has
pursued a series of changes designed to force you and I to constantly
upgrade our cameras and lenses and photogear. The reason was simply
because they needed to generate more sales from a constantly declining
market, as 35mm SLR sales slipped from 2.6 million sold in 1981 to
725,000+ sold in 1993.
These changes raised short term profits, at the expense of the long-term
loss of amateur photographers and hobbyists with each forced upgrade/change.
We have had a number of lens mount shifts which obsoleted tens of
millions of dollars worth of our hobbyist investments in lenses and
cameras. The rise of autofocus may not have solved many problems for some
of us, but it sure helped sell a lot of expensive new cameras and
lenses. That helped solve the industry's problems, but at what cost in users?
At the high end, we saw many camera prices rise up to three times as fast
as the rate of inflation, year in and year out, for decades. Hasselblad
is one example I have documented elsewhere, but not the only one. Given
the minor nature of the improvements in their classic camera bodies and
lenses, how do they really justify the huge increases in cost, even in
constant dollar terms? On a positive note, the shift to a Rollei
controlled USA importer and distributor has cut their prices, and helped
cap medium format prices from some competitors such as Hasselblad. Is it
too little, too late?
At the other end, the photoindustry's new consumer APS format managed to
reduce the size of the film image while substantially raising film costs.
Few APS cameras take full advantage of major APS features (e.g., data
recording capability). Many mini-labs refused to invest in new APS
processing machines, retarding the spread and acceptance of the format.
You still can't buy slide film in APS formats etc., despite over a year
of empty promises. Lots of ads on TV seems to be where the money went...
While APS cameras are small, many 35mm cameras are similar in size and
nearly as easy to use with autoloading and DX coding. You can crop
panoramics from 35mm film too, and get higher quality at lower cost. I
suggest that the problems which APS solved were mainly those of the
photo-industry, and not those of you and I as consumers. Agree or disagree?
What about the charges that people today don't have the time for hobbies?
I think that's partly true, but photography is not that time intensive,
is it? You can take pictures nearly anywhere, and I carry a camera
around and shoot some film almost every day. How much time does it take
to shoot a handful of rolls of film a month for the average
photographer? The cost of cameras has declined in real terms, so
economic barriers aren't the reason photography is in decline as a
hobby.
Demographically, there aren't many kids and twenty-somethings out there
in the current generation, compared to the baby boomers aging numbers.
Amateur photographer's average age is reportedly in the late 40s or early
50s, depending on the source, and getting older with every survery
(meaning fewer new young incoming users). In my mf/photostats.html page,
I note that the average household/family is spending less than 75 cents a
week on photography or under $38 per year. You can't buy many SLRs and
lenses and shoot much film on that, can you? ;-)
Personally, I think photography is about making pictures, which means
thinking about photographs and controlling the process. That creative
and technical challenge is what interests me. Paradoxically, the more
the camera does for me, the easier it seems to be to get a snapshot
instead of making a real picture. I find my medium format photos are
better precisely because I take more care in composing them and think
through what I am doing than with my more automatic 35mm cameras.
The current auto-everything cameras are aimed at tyros, not
photographers. Loading the film is automated, setting the film speed is
automatic, even focusing and exposure are done for you. What's left for
the photographer to do? Why should the camera have all the fun?
The lack of popularity of photography also saddens me personally, since I
know that many folks in our culture don't have a really creative or
artistic outlet. I can't paint or make sculpture, but I can make
creative photos, and so can most people with study and application.
Photography could be the kind of creative and artistic outlet many people
yearn for, but haven't found.
Today we have folks shooting their weddings with six-packs of disposable
cameras, thanks to promotions of the photo-industry. Others use home
video cameras, unaware of future archival storage issues of video tape.
How many mini-labs process their prints so they won't fade away after a
few years in the sun? My best underwater photography slides are already
starting to fade. How about your negatives and slides? If photography is
about keeping memories, as the ads go, shouldn't the film and prints last
at least a generation, let alone a lifetime? By the time the lawsuits start
flying, it will be too late!
Another issue I have addressed is the intentional obsolescence of current
high technology cameras by limited life LCD panels and chip components.
LCD display panels don't last forever; many have lives of 10 years or so.
That's 10 calendar years, whether on or off, so spare parts go bad just
sitting around too. If a custom chip fails in your camera, and it is no
longer supported, you have a high tech paperweight too. While you and I
like to think of high end cameras as investments, the photoindustry
benefits more if they become obsolete and unrepairable, thereby forcing
us to upgrade to new ones, right? Are you starting to see a pattern here?
Some of us also wonder why we didn't hear more about the plans to
obsolete all our mercury battery using photogear by making mercury
batteries illegal to make in the USA. Not just classic cameras, but
light meters and other gear suddenly became obsolete paperweights for
most consumers. Now they'll have to buy new ones and upgrade all those
lenses too, right? Do you wonder why the photoindustry didn't publicize
this more and ask for consumers to fight for a waiver or alternative plan?
Given the high levels of pollution from many home darkrooms, anybody
still using a darkroom want to make a bet on how much longer all these
hazardous chemicals are going to be available for sale? Duh? Think the
photoindustry will warn us about that before or after it is too late?
Will the mini-labs be able to reach E.P.A. limits on effluents, go out of
business, or switch to digital? Maybe they'll mail out the film to Mexico?
How about those new killer Xray machines at the airports. Did the photo
industry staff who "reviewed" these machines blow it? How many folks
will find out about the killer xrays by having their once in a lifetime
trip films ruined? Maybe you heard about it on the Internet, but months
went by before anything showed up in the photomagazines. Now there's a
new super xray machine called L-3 coming, but you don't want to hear more
bad news now, I'm sure.
I see these screw-ups as proof that there isn't any dark coordinated
photoindustry conspiracy. I'm thinking more in terms of the gang that
couldn't shoot straight here. If they had a clear view of the future, and
a gameplan for growing marketshare while bringing along the masses of
current users and serious amateur photographers, I would feel better about
all this. But clearly they don't. Instead, they seem happy to burn many
thousands of current users with obsolescence and format changes, without
any clear plan on where to find serious photography users to
replace us.
Maybe it is just me, but the photoindustry doesn't even seem terribly
good at listening to their remaining customers, do they? A lot of the
current autofocus consumer cameras are obviously the design of marketing
committees, not someone who actually shoots film for fun or a living.
Limited resources seem to be squandered on solutions to problems most of
us don't have (the Arcbody or Flexbody comes to mind here). Who comes up
with these AF camera control interfaces and button locations, anyway? Duh?
I personally doubt that ANY of the current photoindustry players will be
major players some ten years into the future of digital photography.
None of them seem to have the "fire in their bellies" needed to succeed
in making such a huge transition. It is all a faceless bureaucracy, with
all that implies. Nor do they have the right technology to lead either.
Too bad, like many users, I kind of like the cameras and their makers by
extension for past glories and efforts, but they haven't done much for us
lately, but everything for themselves it often seems. Agree or disagree?
Somebody with that "fire" is going to come in and make a crusade out of
digital photography, but it isn't going to be a player in the current
industry, I'd bet. And cameras and lenses are going to be the smallest
part of the equation too. That won't leave much "photo" for the
photoindustry to play up their strengths and technology.
In short, I think the death spiral of serious amateur photography
continues at an every increasing pace. In the last year and a half since
posting the original article, we have seen the abandonment of many films
and papers, along with such formats as 620, 127, 126, disc, and 110 all
going obsolete or endangered species.
More importantly, after seeing the quality possible with the new Epson
color printers, I'm convinced film and paper faces huge marketshare
losses soon. If film and paper sales collapse, what's left of the industry?
Why should consumers use medium format cameras and lenses, or 35mm Nikons..,
if they can get such surprising quality from a low cost computer printer and
wallet sized digital camera? Why pay big bucks for high quality lenses
where the differences won't show up in the photos online? Who needs
Tiffen filters with photoshop software? See the photoindustry's problem here?
When the marginal amateur photographers switch to digital cameras and
Epson prints, will there be enough of us left to keep the film and paper
and conventional cameras and lenses in production? I doubt it, don't you?
We have mostly already dropped out due to high costs, or obsoleting of
our gear, or the high cost of keeping up with every new change they can
think of. Only now, the demographics are against them being able to
recruit enough new buyers to replace us. Digital photography is going to
grab most of those new and younger users, leaving the conventional
photoindustry with very little of value to sell in a digital dominated world.
That's why I call it a death spiral.... ;-)
------- The End!
From: [email protected] (peters)
To: [email protected] (Robert Monaghan)
Subject: Re: Death Spiral of Serious Amateur Photography - Facts &
Observations
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 05:06:54 GMT
On 31 Dec 1997 21:02:04 -0600, you wrote:
Serious Photography's Death Spiral - Facts and Observations for 1998
by Robert Monaghan - [email protected]
A couple of related observations:
When photography was in its heyday, a good camera was a status symbol.
A Speed Graphic represented a month's wages. I think this whetted
the appetite for a good camera. Now what does a decent camera cost?
Depending on what you consider decent, as little as a day or two's
wages. So a camera is no longer a status symbol.
Also, people have a lot more toys to play with: boats, computers,
etc.
About a year ago or two, a seller of used cameras in Seattle was
showing me the sales figure for a lot of medium and large format
equipment. If you want to see something scarey, you should see how
little new large format equipment is sold. when you see all the hype
in popular photography, you get the impression it is a big thing. Not
So! I have a Horseman Press and was talking to the factory rep. I
told him I thought it was unfortunate that such a good camera was
Japan's best kept secret. He said they can't sell enough of them to
pay for the advertising. So they didn't advertise.
I have swapped camera stuff for about 15 years as a hobby. It's sad to
see the decline in darkroom stuff. I used to be able to sell stainless
steel tanks and reels quickly. Now I can't get rid of them.
Another factor: Good cameras like the Mamiya C330 were not changed enough
to cause people to want to upgrade to a later body. No built in meter, no
auto exposure, no winder...why buy new? There are enough used ones on the
market that have all the features of later ones that there is no reason to
buy a new one. So as much as I hate to admit it, planned obsolescence at
least keeps manufacturers in business.
I watch at our camera shows, and you see very few young people coming
through. 90 percent or more of the people are 55 and older. When they
pass on, I don't see young people stepping in to take their place.
--bob
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998
I think you want just enough obsolescence that there is a reason to buy
new, but not so much that your whole system is suddenly junk. I suspect
that the change away from mercury batteries without widespread battery
replacements COULD be a conspiracy (much as I don't like that word) to
obsolete a lot of good photo equipment. One exception is Gossen's
replacement battery adapter for the LunaPro that costs $18.00. I really
respect Gossen for their customer loyalty.
planned obsolescence is a double edged sword - good for mfgers if it
creates demand and expands market share, but bad if it loses their loyal
following.
I agree:
bob peters
....
Japans photo industry produced in 1999
Of these were
The 33.9 M. is a bit clouded as it also encompasses the Single Use
Cameras,
and will also cover the countless numbers of small compact cameras.
Remarkable is the # of SLR's, which is down from 3 million in its heydays
in
the '70 en '80. It is stable for the moment, so it seems.
The medium format market is very small, as it is carved up by many
companies, like Hasselblad Xpan, Contax, Mamiya, Pentax, Bronica, Fuji and
the 4x5 inch field cameras. In a recent note, Zeiss remarked that the
Contax 465 is a great success, so that must be at the expense of the
others,
Digital is no surprise, but monthly figures for early 2000 show around
300
thousand/month, that wold make more than 3.5 million for 2000. The value
for
digital cameras in 1999 is three times the value of the SLR market, so it
is
easy to see where the Japanese are heading.
APS has a figure of 1.5 Million, -2% and in value is far below the SLR
segment.
Some food for thought I suppose. Reflect on Leica which sells 12000 M and
6000 R a year, and compare to the full medium and over market.
Erwin
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To: Robert Monaghan [email protected]
From: "R. Peters"
the under 55 lack of popularity is another good point; I also don't see
these folks at camera shows either, but think this is one of those issues
that the industry should be cooperatively addressing by promoting
photography
From Nikon Fact Book at
[Ed. note was at http://www.nikon.co.jp/main/eng/portfolio/ir/2000/00fb_e04.pdf
now reports "not found" in link checker
Nikon and Japanese MFGer Sales:
fiscal year SLR compact lenses digital
1996/3 620 1,600 740 -
1997/3 800 1,680 890 -
1998/3 850 1,790 1,000 30
1999/3 940 1,630 970 100
2000/3 890 1,710 980 410
SLR Cameras:
year world-wide nikon% Value (Yen) Nik%
1995 3,390 18.5% #84.5B 25.2%
1996 3,530 20.0% #91.1B 27.9%
1997 4,100 21.9% #107.1B 32.4%
1998 4,290 20.5% #104.2B 29.9%
1999 4,360 20.9% #108.8B 29.3%
(values in billions of yen, worldwide units
shipped in thousands of units for SLRs)
Compact Cameras:
year worldwide nikon% value (yen) nikon%
1995 26,130 6.3 206.1 5.6
1996 25,380 5.0 197.4 4.3
1997 32,510 5.5 263.5 4.3
1998 31,650 5.1 273.6 4.4
1999 29,460 6.1 243.8 5.1
Digital Cameras:
year worldwide nikon% value (yen) nikon%
1997 2,120 1.6 80.3 1.7
1998 3,170 3.2 143.4 4.1
1999 5,090 6.4 227.9 8.9
2000* 9,100 - 400
2001* 12,000 - 500
(*=forecast)
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000
From: "Erwin Puts" [email protected]
Subject: [Leica] Some statistics
33.9 Million 35 cameras, -6% compared to 1998
766 thousand SLR, +3.6%
25 Thousand medium format, -9%
1.7 Million digital cameras, +41%